PCT instead of TRT????

[wantabbig]

New member but havebeen reading alot..... I Have been feeling like crap for awhile, I work out regular with little to no results and found out my older brother who is 47 started TRT when he was 45. So i got checked and was 315 total test.( i'm 32 by the way) I was alittle relutant to do the TRT because from what i read if you start you will most likely be on it for life and I was not ready for that kind of committment. So I tried some natural stuff for two months and felt alittle better but my test showed a drop 295 total test with low LH and FSH low free test. I have been on 200 mg of test per week for three weeks and feeling much better... BUT i am thinking why would the Doc's put you on a testosterone supressive medicine and not try some KICK START STUFF first???? you test is more of a symptom of something why not fix what is causing low test. I realize that is alot harder said than done, but why not try PCT before just to see if maybe something just got you a little jacked, stress, injury etc... and that is all you might need any Input on WHY not try PCt like you just coming off of a cycle and jump start the old balls and try to get the test AXIS working in your favor. I am getting some HCG, CLOMID and tamox to do a pct. just to see if it will kick start it. I will keep you posted.

[zoidbar]

Good luck if your going to do a PCT try anthony roberts thats prob the best of the best i am on it now been 8 days HCG is the key do some good DD before you try other drugs , A doctor shipmen says a few shots of HCG can get your nuts working again and thats all some people need go and buy that book i did and its full of info, Great read good luck with your quest !!
Regards
Zoid

[Georgie]

New member but havebeen reading alot..... I Have been feeling like crap for awhile, I work out regular with little to no results and found out my older brother who is 47 started TRT when he was 45. So i got checked and was 315 total test.( i'm 32 by the way) I was alittle relutant to do the TRT because from what i read if you start you will most likely be on it for life and I was not ready for that kind of committment. So I tried some natural stuff for two months and felt alittle better but my test showed a drop 295 total test with low LH and FSH low free test. I have been on 200 mg of test per week for three weeks and feeling much better... BUT i am thinking why would the Doc's put you on a testosterone supressive medicine and not try some KICK START STUFF first???? you test is more of a symptom of something why not fix what is causing low test. I realize that is alot harder said than done, but why not try PCT before just to see if maybe something just got you a little jacked, stress, injury etc... and that is all you might need any Input on WHY not try PCt like you just coming off of a cycle and jump start the old balls and try to get the test AXIS working in your favor. I am getting some HCG, CLOMID and tamox to do a pct. just to see if it will kick start it. I will keep you posted.

I'm not positive here, but just taking a shot in the dark.... Probably because the PCT drugs are not FDA approved for the purpose of raising testoterone? They are all FDA approved as breast cancer treatments, and as fertility drugs. But like I said, i'm just thinking out loud here.

[wantabbig]

Ok, so far I have been on test cyp. for about four weeks @ 200mg/ml. I got the HCg I ordered on Friday and started @ 500iu EOD. I have to say I am not feeling nearly as well as I was when I first got on the Test. My energy is lower and low modivation, muscles don't feel as pumped and full. Maybe I just takes time to adjust. Anyway I will be doing HCG protocol for 3 more weeks and then One more round of test cyp. I will move to the clomid and tamox for 4weeks after that. i really waht to just get to where a normakl 32 year old male should be with his test and energy without drugs, I guess aftere the PCt that will tell me if I am A LIFER of HRT. Thanks for the suggestions!! Great board with great INFo.

[skank]

Let us know how the HCG works for you over the next 3 weeks. I like your plan, it makes sense to me. Don't forget to wait 18 days after your last injection before you start on the Nolva/Clomid. But you probably already know that. It looks like you have been studying the pct and trt threads for a while. I like that you are trying this alternative before surrendering to TRT. But if TRT is where you end up, thats ok too.

[wantabbig]

These board have been a life saver. Learning things hear have not only helped my but both of my older brothers how are also Hypogonadal. The only probably has been finding a Doc that will trust you enough to let you do things that "are for women" like clomid and HCG so I have had to do some Test Cyp just to feel bettter and have the energy to look into gettting my levels normal. Which is what i am in the process of doing. Why suppress your already low test levels with a drug when you might be able to salvage your normal levels with drugs. THat is my soap box and I am going to try it and see if it works. You know llw test seems more of a symtom of something else, Ie... stress, physical trama, ***ression, poor diet all will throw your Hypo for a loop. correct me if I am wrong but maybe just some PCT would save alot of people HRT,TRT of life

[Kale]

The other reason you may feel bad is to much Estrogen. Have you been tested for that ?. If not I would have it done asap

[wantabbig]

Hey I did have may estrogen tested when i found out that I had low test i was about middle ground. I know you should be lowest third of the range so I have been taking Ldex 25 mg a day just as needed when I feel any signs. I am getting tested again for everything after I try the PCT I will contiune using the Ldex maybe upping the dose when I start the clomid. One crazy thing I forgot to mentions is my DHT wasTriple the highest range so I have be taken Prostol for that, It is a natural DHT blocker I'm not sure how effective it is. I have never been hairy at all I'm 32 and dont grow any hair on sides of my face but my family is not very hair. I have tons on my head. SO HOPEFULLY I WILL FIGURE this whole thing out. thanks for any suggestions