Need some Help ... BRAND NEW TO TRT !!

[The Deuce]

Hello everyone... so today was a day that came to no surprise. My test levels came back and well my test is almost non-existent. So my Doc put my on Androderm 5mg.

I have read pretty much all i could on this site on this stuff and pretty much everyones take is that it is junk. Which is what i knew the consensus would be. I have to go through the motions before the doc will give me injectables (sp?)

Anywho I have cycled before. It has been awhile now since I last dabbled. I had bloodwork done when i completed my pct and it was perfectly fine.

I just want MR. HAPPY to go back to being MR. HAPPY instead of MR. DROOPY DOESN'T WANT TO WORK EVER.

Now is the Androderm for the time being going to help me with that? I know some test is better than no test, but if my Doc doesn't give me the injection version and I am stuck with a godd@mn patch for the rest of my life I am going to freak out. Anything to though and I mean anything to bring my libido back is worth it though at this point.

Now it won't be for a few months. May to be exact. I was planning on doing my next cycle. Well this was the plan before the notion of TRT came into play.



Prop 50mgs ed 1-10
NPP 50mgs ed 1-8

PCT???

Clomid
Aromasin
Hcg

Can't use Nolva because it has a major drug interaction with another medication I am on and I hate Clomid but you need a SERM. Right??? Right !!

I didn't want to get to deep involved into this cycle I just had a few q's about it pertaining to the fact i am on TRT.

1. DO I NEED A PCT??? considering I am still going to possibly be on the patch through the whole cycle and afterwards obviously continuing it. Wouldn't this be considered bridging or whatever??

2. Should I continue you my Androderm through the cycle or stop it whilst on??

3. If it is recommended that I stop while using Test Prop should I up it to 75 mgs ED ?? I was just figuring that if I am using the patch during my cycle than 50 mgs ED would be enough. Correct??



Any and all help that you guys can steer my way will be awesome and I would gladly appreciate it. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME BROS!!

[Kale]

Hello everyone... so today was a day that came to no surprise. My test levels came back and well my test is almost non-existent. So my Doc put my on Androderm 5mg.

I have read pretty much all i could on this site on this stuff and pretty much everyones take is that it is junk. Which is what i knew the consensus would be. I have to go through the motions before the doc will give me injectables (sp?)

Anywho I have cycled before. It has been awhile now since I last dabbled. I had bloodwork done when i completed my pct and it was perfectly fine.

I just want MR. HAPPY to go back to being MR. HAPPY instead of MR. DROOPY DOESN'T WANT TO WORK EVER.

Now is the Androderm for the time being going to help me with that? I know some test is better than no test, but if my Doc doesn't give me the injection version and I am stuck with a godd@mn patch for the rest of my life I am going to freak out. Anything to though and I mean anything to bring my libido back is worth it though at this point.

Now it won't be for a few months. May to be exact. I was planning on doing my next cycle. Well this was the plan before the notion of TRT came into play.



Prop 50mgs ed 1-10
NPP 50mgs ed 1-8

PCT???

Clomid
Aromasin
Hcg

Can't use Nolva because it has a major drug interaction with another medication I am on and I hate Clomid but you need a SERM. Right??? Right !!

I didn't want to get to deep involved into this cycle I just had a few q's about it pertaining to the fact i am on TRT.

1. DO I NEED A PCT??? considering I am still going to possibly be on the patch through the whole cycle and afterwards obviously continuing it. Wouldn't this be considered bridging or whatever??

2. Should I continue you my Androderm through the cycle or stop it whilst on??

3. If it is recommended that I stop while using Test Prop should I up it to 75 mgs ED ?? I was just figuring that if I am using the patch during my cycle than 50 mgs ED would be enough. Correct??


Any and all help that you guys can steer my way will be awesome and I would gladly appreciate it. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME BROS!!

OK so PCT is no longer required. You do the cycle minus the patch then when the cycle finished the patch goes back on. You obviously have access to juice so why no just forget the Dr all together, go buy some Test E and do your own TRT, thats what I do.

[JiGGaMaN]

OK so PCT is no longer required. You do the cycle minus the patch then when the cycle finished the patch goes back on. You obviously have access to juice so why no just forget the Dr all together, go buy some Test E and do your own TRT, thats what I do.

damn dude, thats some pretty bad advice.

[Kale]

damn dude, thats some pretty bad advice.

You think ? If you are going to call me out then at least give me a reason. All a Dr does is look at the blood tests and adjust the doses accordingly. A five year old could do that !!! I have been doing my own TRT for the last four years so I dont see the issue at all.

[The Deuce]

You obviously have access to juice so why no just forget the Dr all together, go buy some Test E and do your own TRT, thats what I do.

I would LOVE to do that but the upside being the stuff the Doc prescribes (Androderm for now) well my insurance makes it FREE. So I can't say NO to FREE stuff, i know it's not the greatest and not the highest dosed but if I were to run Test E 250 every week of the year and a couple of times a year jumping it to 750 per week we are talking a lot of money... Money in these times I dont particularly have. As I progress through life and slowly make more and more I might be able to do that. I would love to do that. Trust me. It would be so much easier and on top of that I don't really trust this whole patch thing that much. Buying a year supply just isn't feasible right now I guess is what I am saying. I am sure that one day I will be able to do my TRT ... In fact I know I will but for now since I am getting these Androderm patches for FREE I might as well use them to their full advantage even though I don't like having a Patch on me at all times.

Thank You for the Info though. Much Appreciated !!

[Dukkit]

ask your doctor to give you shots. say youve done reading and the patch isnt as effective. i know a few guys who have done just that and their doc had no problem with it
or if he says no. take a copy of your blood work. and go to another doc. ask him to switch it to shots.

someone will do it. you have options. just ask. no harm in asking.

and i agree with kale. no more pct needed if your on TRT. pct is to bring up your natty test production after being shut down on cycle. you dont have any natty test production (per say) cuz your on aftermarket test.

[The Deuce]

And WHOA !!!


What happens if I decide to do a Cycle obviously my test levels will go skyrocket right and when the doc does a blood test obviously he will know something is up right?? So then he would remove me from the TRT program.. right?? Is that what they do if they find that test levels are back within the OK range. Or is TRT just something that is guaranteed for life??

This whole thing confuses the H-E Double Hockey Sticks out of me...

[Dukkit]

And WHOA !!!


What happens if I decide to do a Cycle obviously my test levels will go skyrocket right and when the doc does a blood test obviously he will know something is up right?? So then he would remove me from the TRT program.. right?? Is that what they do if they find that test levels are back within the OK range. Or is TRT just something that is guaranteed for life??

This whole thing confuses the H-E Double Hockey Sticks out of me...

if you get tested on cycle. then yes... your levels will be sky high

and A you can tell the doc your on cycle and youll go back on TRT after

or B he will keep testing you and tryin new doses, or new compounds or take you off of TRT fully

usually you get tested often the first 6 months of TRT to get your levels steady and at the right place. and afterwards you can go in like once every 6 months or even once every year.... and when that happens you can cycle all you like.

[Kale]

And WHOA !!!


What happens if I decide to do a Cycle obviously my test levels will go skyrocket right and when the doc does a blood test obviously he will know something is up right?? So then he would remove me from the TRT program.. right?? Is that what they do if they find that test levels are back within the OK range. Or is TRT just something that is guaranteed for life??

This whole thing confuses the H-E Double Hockey Sticks out of me...

Yes they skyrocket but they will come back down again about four weeks after you go back on TRT so you just time your blood tests accordingly

[The Deuce]

ask your doctor to give you shots. say youve done reading and the patch isnt as effective. i know a few guys who have done just that and their doc had no problem with it
or if he says no. take a copy of your blood work. and go to another doc. ask him to switch it to shots.

someone will do it. you have options. just ask. no harm in asking.

and i agree with kale. no more pct needed if your on TRT. pct is to bring up your natty test production after being shut down on cycle. you dont have any natty test production (per say) cuz your on aftermarket test.

Alrighty I can definitely do that. He just wanted to try the patch out on me. I told him I had reservations when he told me he was putting me on it and I was supposed to give a try and see how it worked. I told him that I would give it a real go ahead with it. I already discussed the possibility of injections with him. It seemed like he felt really not into it. So I just might have switch Docs. He did say though that if we did go the injection route that I would have to come into the office to get the shot every week.
Is that common??? I mean is he just not trusting me with take home and do yourself injections?? Afraid I might abuse it?? Because to be honest it's not like I am small. I am a very large Dude. So maybe he is just apprehensive in the fact that I am a steroid user. I don't know.
Regardless, If I have to stay on this patch. No biggie for now as long as it does what it is supposed to and make my MANHOOD start working properly again. For now that is all I really care about. I am getting Test into my body for now and that is all that really matters. In a PERFECT world I would LOVE to have the injections but we all know that we don't live in a perfect world. I know that I will be on Test in May to do my cycle like I have planned so for now if he doesn't switch me to injections it looks like I will have a patch on me at all times. I am just hoping for a reaction on my skin so it gives me a reason (good) to request that I get off the patch and go to injectibles.

[Dukkit]

most of my friends docs dont mind just giving you the script and you taking the Test home with you to do your injections every week

but like you said. he may be apprehensive cuz your bigger and he may worry about abusing it. id just go in every week and once he starts trusting you say your schedule is hectic and to let you do the shots at home.

[The Deuce]

if you get tested on cycle. then yes... your levels will be sky high

and A you can tell the doc your on cycle and youll go back on TRT after

or B he will keep testing you and tryin new doses, or new compounds or take you off of TRT fully

usually you get tested often the first 6 months of TRT to get your levels steady and at the right place. and afterwards you can go in like once every 6 months or even once every year.... and when that happens you can cycle all you like.

Well thats awesome !!! So basically I just wait until I am stable and steady with my levels and then I can go ahead and Cycle at Will ?!!?!?! That is Awesome !! Thanks for the info!!

[The Deuce]

most of my friends docs dont mind just giving you the script and you taking the Test home with you to do your injections every week

but like you said. he may be apprehensive cuz your bigger and he may worry about abusing it. id just go in every week and once he starts trusting you say your schedule is hectic and to let you do the shots at home.

That is What i will do... Thanks for the info Guys !!! Big Help and Eased my Anxiety a lot !! See this is the exact reason why I Love this place !!!

[Dukkit]

lol

welcome bro!

let us know how it goes

[ghettoboyd]

maybee you shouldnt use the patch and go back and get tested.then he will see its not working and maybee have you try the injection rout.just a thought.. and maybee also get him to prescribe u cialis or somthing.good luck bro.

[The Deuce]

maybee you shouldnt use the patch and go back and get tested.then he will see its not working and maybee have you try the injection rout.just a thought.. and maybee also get him to prescribe u cialis or somthing.good luck bro.

Ya I thought about that but my umm Manhood aint working and I know the patch will at least kick that back into action... kinda need that in working order... dont feel right with it not doing what it is supposed to if ya know what I mean... hahahaha

[The Deuce]

Hey one more quick question here... How long til I start feeling it working... ya know ... how long til the increase in libido happens???

[crazycrab]

I've talked to my doc in the past. He said that when you are using the patch that no children or weman should come into contact with it because of test entering into their system. If you have a wife and children you could use that to see if he will go with the shots because you are scared the wifey may grow a mustach.

If your test is that low, I would see no reason that he would not go with the shots.

[ghettoboyd]

Ya I thought about that but my umm Manhood aint working and I know the patch will at least kick that back into action... kinda need that in working order... dont feel right with it not doing what it is supposed to if ya know what I mean... hahahaha

i know exactly what you mean.its probably....no deffinetly the most important thing to me.

[The Deuce]

Ok well he told me that my Test was 81. Whatever that means. I dont know what exactly that number correlates into what category. He said it was really low so.. when I go back to see him in two weeks I am going to tell him it's time to switch to injections. This patch thing just leaves a sticky mess and it's d@mn impossible to get the mess off of my body. AHHHHHHHHHH I HATE IT !!! I am going to call my Doctor RIGHT NOW !!! Hahahahahaha

[The Deuce]

Does anyone know how long it takes to feel benefits from these stupid things?? I probably wont get the injectibles til next week at the earliest but I am going to demand them and if he wont do it i will stay on the patch til i find a doctor that will give me what I want.

[jnewton86]

when i started i had the patches. id have to say it takes a bit, definitely wont feel anything right away. been so long since i had em, id say at least a month. i would tell the doc that they come off easily because your active and they itch like crazy, and its true they do. they also left red marks on my legs from where i applied em, that should get ur doc to change somethin

[thtacoma]

my patches wouldnt stay on because i sweat too much at the gym and while playing volleyball. i told my doc, and doc said the cream would just sweat off too. so, doc asked if my gf would not mind giving me injections. i am doing everything at home now.

[The Deuce]

see thats what iam saying. I know he will be a little apprehensive at first but i guess that will mean that i will have to go in every week for a shot til he is comfortable giving me the take homes and do it yerself ... i guess more or less its a waiting game. i have placed the phone call and they should be calling me back on Monday so hopefullly everything goes smoothly

[Mighty Joe]

Ok well he told me that my Test was 81. Whatever that means. I dont know what exactly that number correlates into what category. He said it was really low so.. when I go back to see him in two weeks I am going to tell him it's time to switch to injections. This patch thing just leaves a sticky mess and it's d@mn impossible to get the mess off of my body. AHHHHHHHHHH I HATE IT !!! I am going to call my Doctor RIGHT NOW !!! Hahahahahaha

No disrespect intended, but your Test level is 81... Not a lot of guys on here will catch on to that, but it gave me a chuckle!!!

Question though. What is your age? and is your Doc an Endo? If so tell him your prefer injectable test and that you can self administer. As for how soon it kicks in, well, different for us all, but its a marathon not a sprint when you get started on TRT. The boys will make a comeback, just don't focus on it and it will all be fine. Stay consistent in the gym, diet and regular bloodwork and all will be cool.

MJ

[The Deuce]

No disrespect intended, but your Test level is 81... Not a lot of guys on here will catch on to that, but it gave me a chuckle!!!

Question though. What is your age? and is your Doc an Endo? If so tell him your prefer injectable test and that you can self administer. As for how soon it kicks in, well, different for us all, but its a marathon not a sprint when you get started on TRT. The boys will make a comeback, just don't focus on it and it will all be fine. Stay consistent in the gym, diet and regular bloodwork and all will be cool.

MJ

None taken man. LOL, I just can't know all about it ya know. I am new to this whole TRT thing. If it was a cycle... well I would know all about it, very experienced as far as that goes. But I dont know anything about lab results, what they mean, what numbers are what and what category they fall into. All I know is he said 81 ... he used that number. What subtext it was used in. I dont know. Maybe I should have paid more attention. Regardless I am obviously going to start studying into and researching more about this so I know exactly what I am talking about and make sure I dont sound like an idiot. Hahahaha

I am 26 years old. I have been suffering with a ED problem for like 3 months and I had finally worked up the courage to go to the Doc and get it checked. When the results came back my PCP (primary care physician) is the one who prescribed me to Androderm 5 mg patches. I have been on them for 7 days today (Patch #6). They itch. But other than that and the sticky goop they leave after taking them off I hadn't had a skin reaction until last night when I removed it (Patch #5). The skin was raised, red, bump, and really really sore. So obviously my skin in that position didn't like the patch.

I really think I should inform my Doc that I want injectible and that I want to self administer. The problem I think he will have with it is that He has been my doctor for like 7 years and back when I first started going to him I had a huge Opiate problem. I am now clean but I think that might be hindering his decision in giving me it to take for myself. Plus my size probably doesn't help. I am a very large guy. ABOVE NORMAL, hahaha

I really don't think i will mind as long as he shoots me every week and not every 10 days or two weeks. As an AAS user I know to keep blood levels stable you need it every 3.5 days so to be getting it every 14 days I think I will might as well Self Prescribe myself to TRT. I don't want to do that though. I am not in shape enough to be doing a cycle right now. I am about 21% bf. I let myself slip after a bad car accident a year and a half ago. I was planning on cycling come May but I need the TRT now. For obvious reasons. Not to get big but, with my low test it would explain Why I was losing Muscle Mass and gaining fat. Not to mention being tired, fatigued, lethargic, no motivation. I just had no test going through my body. Hopefully everything will get back on track.

I wouldn't even pursue the injectibles if this patch would work and do the trick. I would just keep at it in the gym with the patch and in May cycle like I planned to and from then on after the cycle go back to the patch but we all know that it isn't feasible for the patch to do just that. I dont believe it is strong enough. 5 mgs doesn't sound like a lot to me. And I would prefer not to be covered in patches. So it only makes sense to just get on the Test Cyp.

Is there a way that I could definitively word it to be convincing to let my PCP allow me to self administer?? Should I recommend for him to send me to an Endocrinologist ?? Or just allow him to treat me as long as I get what I am asking for??

Thank you guys for being so patient with me and answering these questions. I am just not very well versed in the knowledge of TRT but I am trying my best to learn,

You Guys are the BEST !!!!

[Mighty Joe]

How long and intense has your cycle history been? When was the last time you cycled? Test levels that low at 26 years old tells me you have hit it pretty hard and long at times. Correct?
When ending your cycles have you employed a decent PCT plan?

Anyway, has your Doc let you see the blood work results? Tell him would like a copy for your own records. They are very simple to read in that most will show a normal range that the numbers should fall into. Than as you start TRT or cycle or whatever you will always have a snapshot of where you are.

I always get b/w done before I start anything so I have a baseline of where I'm supposed to be when PCT is completed.

And yes, I would try to see an endo they may be better versed in what you may be needing. It sounds to me that your natty test levels haven't kicked back in yet and that may take some time without PCT. But if its been a while you may indeed need some help.

I am on TRT at 200mgs/every 10days. Working fine too, my test levels are over 1000 consistently, plus i work my a$$ of at the gym and I'm in my 50's. Once you get your test levels back up your whistle will start working again as long as estrogen levels stay in check and B/W will halp monitor that too.

Good Luck & keep us posted,

MJ

[The Deuce]

IF FOR SOME REASON MY PCP (PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN) DOESN'T PRESCRIBE ME WHAT I WANT CAN I GO ABOVE HIM AND CONTACT AN ENDOCRINOLOGIST MYSELF AND ASK TO BE SEEN??

MY PCP HAS YET TO RETURN MY CALL YET AFTER HE SAID HE DIDNT MIND SWITCHING ME TO INJECTIBLES BUT I WOULD HAVE TO COME IN EVERY 10 DAYS TO GET A SHOT. THAT ISN'T GOING TO WORK WITH ME AT ALL.

UGH WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE SUCH A FIGHT. I HAVE AN ISSUE. TESTOSTERONE IS THE CURE. WHY IS HE BEING SO STINGY.THAT B@$T@RD!!

[Mighty Joe]

IF FOR SOME REASON MY PCP (PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN) DOESN'T PRESCRIBE ME WHAT I WANT CAN I GO ABOVE HIM AND CONTACT AN ENDOCRINOLOGIST MYSELF AND ASK TO BE SEEN??

MY PCP HAS YET TO RETURN MY CALL YET AFTER HE SAID HE DIDNT MIND SWITCHING ME TO INJECTIBLES BUT I WOULD HAVE TO COME IN EVERY 10 DAYS TO GET A SHOT. THAT ISN'T GOING TO WORK WITH ME AT ALL.

UGH WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE SUCH A FIGHT. I HAVE AN ISSUE. TESTOSTERONE IS THE CURE. WHY IS HE BEING SO STINGY.THAT B@$T@RD!!

Fire him! Yes, you can go see any Endo anytime. BTW, he wants you to come in every 10 days so he can charge the sh*t out of your insurance company for the Test. Thats when they say they are monitoring your care and getting 10 times the price of a bottle of Cyp that way! Its a racket bro!

[The Deuce]

Fire him! Yes, you can go see any Endo anytime. BTW, he wants you to come in every 10 days so he can charge the sh*t out of your insurance company for the Test. Thats when they say they are monitoring your care and getting 10 times the price of a bottle of Cyp that way! Its a racket bro!

Well ta H3LL with him then..... I am going to start calling Endo's right now. Thank you for all the valuable information. Much appreciated !!!!

[The Deuce]

GOT AN APPT. WITH AN ENDO ON THURSDAY AT 9:30 !!!

I hope he can Help me !!

[Mighty Joe]

My Pleasure to help!!!

Keep us posted....

Later MJ

[ENraged]

GOT AN APPT. WITH AN ENDO ON THURSDAY AT 9:30 !!!

I hope he can Help me !!

I had to more or less convince my Doc that I had done my research before he would send me home with a couple of vials of test C today.

I was luck as he originally prescribed me androgel which as my insurance only covered 50 percent it was just to much to shell out every month.
He did stick me with every 14 day injections but wrote me a script for enough gear for like a year and a half so ya know! so I will play the game for this first couple of months. really thinking of just going every 10 days anyways.
Best of luck

[The Deuce]

I had to more or less convince my Doc that I had done my research before he would send me home with a couple of vials of test C today.

I was luck as he originally prescribed me androgel which as my insurance only covered 50 percent it was just to much to shell out every month.
He did stick me with every 14 day injections but wrote me a script for enough gear for like a year and a half so ya know! so I will play the game for this first couple of months. really thinking of just going every 10 days anyways.
Best of luck

Yah the Androderm patch was fully covered by my insurance. I got pretty nice insurance actually. Any and all of my prescriptions only cost $5.00 for each one. If I hadnt had insurance though a 30 day supply of the patch was like 250. Outageous !!!

[Dukkit]

Yah the Androderm patch was fully covered by my insurance. I got pretty nice insurance actually. Any and all of my prescriptions only cost $5.00 for each one. If I hadnt had insurance though a 30 day supply of the patch was like 250. Outageous !!!

damn, lucky. my insurance dont pay shit for TRT

[ghettoboyd]

hay bro if your endo perscribes you wat u want pm me who it is.im in maine too and at 36yrs old its time i visited one.thx man good luck.

[chuckt12345]

yea i was prescribed them a few months ago,, my insurance suks so i got them the first month to see and it was 250$ for 30 day supply. Crazy. The patches work within hours man not months. Its a straight release of test into your stream. I thnk within 6 hours your levels are peaked at like 800ng's. which is high side of a healthy male.

[The Deuce]

So I went to see my Endo today and this is what the deal is :


For the next 3 weeks I am to stop taking the patch. It wasn't really working anyways. According to the guy in the post before this the patch is supposed to work within hours and apparently it wasn't doing anything for me, didn't do anything for MR. HAPPY. hahaha

So for the next 3 weeks I have to let the Androderm leave my system I guess and have to have my blood drawn again and they are testing for Total Test, Free Test, LH and FSH. To find out exactly what is going on because at 26 he doesn't understand why for no reason why this would just happen all of a sudden and he said with my Testo being at 82 when it is supposed to be around 220 to 800 i think, something is definitely definitely off and out of whack.

So for 3 weeks I am going to have to sit and wait to have the blood drawn and the tests ran and he said I will be doing the injectibles BUT !!! He says inject every TWO WEEKS !! Isn't this off??? I mean as a AAS user I know to keep blood levels stable its best to shoot every 3.5 days then why... why would a Doctor only prescribe an injection every 14 days ? I am just so confused on the issue but whatever hahaha it is what it is, I see myself in the near future doing my own TRT ... Doctors just don't seem to be with it.

Grant it, I am NOT a Doctor so I don't know the answers to everything ya know.. I know next to nothing about this whole TRT. BUT what i do know is that I need my lil dude back in working order. That's all that really matters to me. The muscle benefits the accompany the Test is just an added BONUS !!

[Mighty Joe]

Bro,

Glad you got to see the Doc. Don't let the every two weeks thing throw you, thats pretty common for TRT and long acting esters like Cyp or Enanthate. He will most likely prescribe 200mgs/2 weeks! If so you can do 100mgs/every week instead. I think thats what Kale does and it workd wonders for him.

Stay patient bro...You're on your way back!!!!

Congrats on firing the Doc too!!

Have a great weekend,

MJ

[The Deuce]

THANKS MJ !!

Good to know that if I have any questions then all I have to do is come here!!

That's why I love this place, friendly and educated Bro's !!

Plus this 7up Dude is the BEST !! HAHAHA