Can I add anything else to Androgel?

**Peducho0113** · 02-20-2009, 09:02 AM

Hi everyone,

I am a 28 yearl old male and for the last three years I have been dealing with lost of energy, felt much older than my age, I just did not feel healthy. About six months ago I got a blood test and my total test came back around 425, but my doctor said that was normal for my age, well after speaking with him dealing with him for three months he put me on Androgel , I have been on it for the last 3 months and I has change my life, I feel healthy again, full energy and my age. Is there anything that I can add to androgel to help my own testosterone production. The problem is that when I don't put on the androgel I feel very tired etc, so I was wondering if any of you guys use something else along with androgel?

Thank for your help.

**ZonaDave** · 02-20-2009, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Peducho0113

Hi everyone,

I am a 28 yearl old male and for the last three years I have been dealing with lost of energy, felt much older than my age, I just did not feel healthy. About six months ago I got a blood test and my total test came back around 425, but my doctor said that was normal for my age, well after speaking with him dealing with him for three months he put me on Androgel , I have been on it for the last 3 months and I has change my life, I feel healthy again, full energy and my age. Is there anything that I can add to androgel to help my own testosterone production. The problem is that when I don't put on the androgel I feel very tired etc, so I was wondering if any of you guys use something else along with androgel?

Thank for your help.

yes, it's called HCG . it will boost your own production quite a bit and get you through the low points. do you apply the a-gel once or twice per day?

**Silver-Bolt** · 02-20-2009, 04:02 PM

Have your doc switch you to injections. Preferably weekly injections.

**CrazyCrew** · 02-20-2009, 04:13 PM

DR J uses pregneolone TD and dhea to back fill metabolic pathways

**Peducho0113** · 02-20-2009, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by ZonaDave

yes, it's called HCG. it will boost your own production quite a bit and get you through the low points. do you apply the a-gel once or twice per day?

I apply the gel only once a day, by the end of the day it has worn out.

**Peducho0113** · 02-20-2009, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Silver-Bolt

Have your doc switch you to injections. Preferably weekly injections.

My doctor is not open to injections, I am lucky that he got to prescribe me androgel .

**ZonaDave** · 02-20-2009, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Peducho0113

I apply the gel only once a day, by the end of the day it has worn out.

it sounds like the dose is too low

**Peducho0113** · 02-20-2009, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by CrazyCrew

DR J uses pregneolone TD and dhea to back fill metabolic pathways

Can you please explain more about it.
Thanks

**Peducho0113** · 02-20-2009, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by ZonaDave

it sounds like the dose is too low

It is low, and he wont' prescribe anything else but it has really helped me.

**THORSZ** · 02-20-2009, 09:25 PM

Have you considered switching docs? When I first started i was on the gel and switched to another doc that I knew would give injections.

**ZonaDave** · 02-20-2009, 11:02 PM

when i first started TRT my doc put me on Testim (1 tube) and it actually lowered my numbers after being on it for two weeks. he didn't want to go to two tubes so i switched docs. my current doc took me of Testim right away and put me on shots. at the time i really didn't care and i would have tried a compounded T-cream but she preferred the shots instead.

both delivery methods have their pros and cons.

**amcon** · 02-21-2009, 12:10 AM

first of all the 425 is just about normal, 500 is normal (any age below 35) - docs normally dont treat any thing less than 135...

the real question is have you gotten a full male blood work up?

you really need an endo doc., and full blood work up...

as for adding to the androgel ... the stuff they give you is not a aas cycle it is hormone replacement thearpy... replacement to normal test levels.... if you go higher it will start being a cycle and other issues come up as possiblilties

what are your goals with the hrt ? from what i know your test levels should be between 500 and 800 - any one correct me if i have stated any thing in correctly - i am not a doc but i have done tons of reading up on this

**zaggahamma** · 02-21-2009, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by amcon

first of all the 425 is just about normal, 500 is normal (any age below 35) - docs normally dont treat any thing less than 135...

the real question is have you gotten a full male blood work up?

you really need an endo doc., and full blood work up...

as for adding to the androgel ... the stuff they give you is not a aas cycle it is hormone replacement thearpy... replacement to normal test levels.... if you go higher it will start being a cycle and other issues come up as possiblilties

what are your goals with the hrt ? from what i know your test levels should be between 500 and 800 - any one correct me if i have stated any thing in correctly - i am not a doc but i have done tons of reading up on this

no...pretty good advice...we have to ALWAYS remember that TRT is an individual treatment and that one man may not feel/be healthy at 450 total T with normal free test, etc. He may have been high T most of his life like around the top end around 1,000 and now only 450...just an example

**amcon** · 02-21-2009, 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by jpkman

no...pretty good advice...we have to ALWAYS remember that TRT is an individual treatment and that one man may not feel/be healthy at 450 total T with normal free test, etc. He may have been high T most of his life like around the top end around 1,000 and now only 450...just an example

very much agreed!!! i am printing this off and showing my doc!!! i have been hitting that point with him - and he wont budge...

either way the follow up blood test will show alot... correct me if i am wrong - if chollesteral goes up to high, and protrate test come back poorly it would be too high of trt ? so i say jack the dosage up and follow up ever three weeks with blood test and ajust from there...

**zaggahamma** · 02-21-2009, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by amcon

very much agreed!!! i am printing this off and showing my doc!!! i have been hitting that point with him - and he wont budge...

either way the follow up blood test will show alot... correct me if i am wrong - if chollesteral goes up to high, and protrate test come back poorly it would be too high of trt ? so i say jack the dosage up and follow up ever three weeks with blood test and ajust from there...

prostate should always be cleared BEFORE test is administered...if so and cleared...test wont elevate/bother prostate...and i havent seen any posts with negative cholesterol from TRT

**CrazyCrew** · 02-21-2009, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Peducho0113

Can you please explain more about it.
Thanks

Quoating Hardasnails "long term TRT and hcg deplete dhea and pregenonlone in alot of people increasesing their shbg and reducing bio T. Why it is suggested to balance all hormones not just focusing on testosterone . This is extremly common in TRT and dr's have no clue its going on over a prolong peroid of time. You may get an increase at first then it drops off after 3-4 months. At this time the dr's see that you had normal dhea at the beginning of TRT and assume that every thing is fine when it is not."

Quoating Dr Crisler :
__________________This is why we add back in, "backfilling" as I like to call it, when on TRT. HCG, PREG TD and DHEA are re-inserted. "

You need to searh this out. Check out this link. Great place to start.

http://www.happydog.net/hrtlinks.html

**KZRSOIZE** · 02-21-2009, 08:39 AM

im wondering what your current test levels are at now? you say androgel affects you if not taken, so im wondering how it would effect your labs is blood drawn right after application.

but dude like somebody else mentioned get a new doctor and endo or the new so called longevity type doctors. good luck and keep us posted.

**amcon** · 02-21-2009, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by KZRSOIZE

im wondering what your current test levels are at now? you say androgel affects you if not taken, so im wondering how it would effect your labs is blood drawn right after application.

but dude like somebody else mentioned get a new doctor and endo or the new so called longevity type doctors. good luck and keep us posted.

who are you asking this too?

**znak** · 02-21-2009, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by ZonaDave

yes, it's called HCG. it will boost your own production quite a bit and get you through the low points. do you apply the a-gel once or twice per day?

Terrible advice. This will desensitize you and eventually shut you down. Read the profiles. It is good post cycle to get your test back quickly, but is not good to raise already low test.

Take ZMA in the evening and you can use tonkat Ali or tribulus to help. I have had good results with Tonkat.

**Peducho0113** · 02-21-2009, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by KZRSOIZE

im wondering what your current test levels are at now? you say androgel affects you if not taken, so im wondering how it would effect your labs is blood drawn right after application.

but dude like somebody else mentioned get a new doctor and endo or the new so called longevity type doctors. good luck and keep us posted.

I have been thinking about getting a new doctor, is just that this doctor is cover by my insurance, but I don't think he is a huge fan of TRT. I will have new blood work done next week to see how they came back

**ZonaDave** · 02-21-2009, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by znak

Terrible advice. This will desensitize you and eventually shut you down. Read the profiles. It is good post cycle to get your test back quickly, but is not good to raise already low test.

Take ZMA in the evening and you can use tonkat Ali or tribulus to help. I have had good results with Tonkat.

lol, what do you think androgel does? do you think it "suppliments" your natural T production? if that was the case it would be called TST not TRT.

dude, don't interupt a thread if you don't know what you're talking about...it just confuses the subject.

**Joxi** · 02-22-2009, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by znak

Terrible advice. This will desensitize you and eventually shut you down. Read the profiles. It is good post cycle to get your test back quickly, but is not good to raise already low test.

Take ZMA in the evening and you can use tonkat Ali or tribulus to help. I have had good results with Tonkat.

This is not ture. I did a lots of research on hcg , and it IS RECOMENDED, for trt, also this is a new approach so no much is known. Two articles in this very forum contradict you.

**BIG_TRUCK** · 02-22-2009, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Peducho0113

My doctor is not open to injections, I am lucky that he got to prescribe me androgel.

Find a new doctor.

Androgel is a joke. Injections ftw.

Only a few lucky responders can get into healthy ranges with it. Maybe your a lucky one? What have your tests shown?

**FallenWyvern** · 02-23-2009, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by BIG_TRUCK

Find a new doctor.

Androgel is a joke. Injections ftw.

Only a few lucky responders can get into healthy ranges with it. Maybe your a lucky one? What have your tests shown?

Agreed.

**Peducho0113** · 02-24-2009, 10:53 AM

I will start looking for a doctor that is open to TRT, the problem is that most insurance companies won't cover this doctors. So everything will be out packet, The intial test is what is most expensive, after that is ok. Thanks for all your input!

**Silver-Bolt** · 02-24-2009, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Peducho0113

I will start looking for a doctor that is open to TRT, the problem is that most insurance companies won't cover this doctors. So everything will be out packet, The intial test is what is most expensive, after that is ok. Thanks for all your input!

The alternative is to do it on your own. Get blood work done now and start shots on your own. Start at a very low dose. Once you find the dose that makes you feel the best have your blood checked again. This is the path my Doc forced me down since my numbers are low but still within range. I took my first shot last week and within one day I started to feel better. Today was my second shot (100mg Test-E) and I feel great. Not quite back 100% but getting very close.

**CrazyCrew** · 02-24-2009, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Peducho0113

I will start looking for a doctor that is open to TRT, the problem is that most insurance companies won't cover this doctors. So everything will be out packet, The intial test is what is most expensive, after that is ok. Thanks for all your input!

Alot of insurance will cover TRT but not HRT. I have BCBS and it covers my TRT.

**larrge** · 04-01-2009, 10:23 PM

My testosterone levels are low also and I am wondering if it effects your sex drive or your hard on? I just purchased cialis online is there anything anyone else would suggest for a more intense hard on? I have to take care of the wife.

**lovbyts** · 04-02-2009, 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by larrge

My testosterone levels are low also and I am wondering if it effects your sex drive or your hard on? I just purchased cialis online is there anything anyone else would suggest for a more intense hard on? I have to take care of the wife.

You really should start your own thread but to be short the answers are Yes and Yes. 100%

**larrge** · 04-02-2009, 05:43 AM

I am new on here and could not figure out where to start my own thread. thanks.

**zaggahamma** · 04-02-2009, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by larrge

I am new on here and could not figure out where to start my own thread. thanks.

large...this forum is hormone replacement alternative mendicine anti aging, etc.....if this is the forum you want to post you click on those words(link) then at the top of all of the threads already posted you'll see "new thread" words(link)...click that and away you go

**Ntpadude** · 04-02-2009, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Peducho0113

I apply the gel only once a day, by the end of the day it has worn out.

The androgel has a fixed absorption rate however during the day your body consumes testosterone . I have always read and understand that it actually takes 3 days for gel to migrate thru the skin into your blood stream which means if you forget to take it one day, its not the end of the world and you arent walking around with zero testosterone. IN fact if you quit androgel, it takes 7 days for you to fully make all the gel on/in your skin fully absorbed into the blood supply. If you are running low by the end of the day, it must be you are under dosing entirely.

**Ntpadude** · 04-02-2009, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by larrge

My testosterone levels are low also and I am wondering if it effects your sex drive or your hard on? I just purchased cialis online is there anything anyone else would suggest for a more intense hard on? I have to take care of the wife.

Cialis MIGHT get you hard, however I had a problem where the testosterone levels were so low, that it wasnt possible to get hard on with cialis, viagra or levitra. I might add, I like Levitra the best as it seems to last for me about 6 hours,which is longer then viagra. Sometime you dont want your partner to know you need some help so you just want to dose and be "covered" in case you get lucky that night but dont know when it will be. This makes levitra and cialis great choises, however levitra for me has much less heart burn and/or other viagra/cialis side effects. Cialis gives me 3 days of heart burn something fierce. Levitra - no heart burn at all.

Now aside from that... proper levels of testosterone in your body will entirely eliminate the need for viagra/cialis but also sex with a good cialis hard on but low testosterone isnt that great. You barely feel or feel the need to grunt when orgasm if your testosterone is low... get on testerone therapy and you are a total horn dog like you were when you were 19 years old. Sex is extremely enjoyable and you cant help but let out one heck of an oragasmic groan when you cum. Myself when I am at ideal levels of testosterone, I can cum 3 times in a row back to back over a 5 minute period when nailing my wife. I never did that when I was a teenager but man the right TRT doses from a doctor can really do the trick!

**larrge** · 04-03-2009, 10:23 AM

What treatment did your doctor put you on? I am also concerned whether or not I will be able to get my girl pregnant because of my testosterone levels ?