natural or juicing

**TRT,MAN** · 05-18-2009, 04:19 PM

hey got a question. do any of you guys consider being on trt/hrt natural considering your on such a low does. or is it classified as juicing. just curious what people think. i say no because your keeping your levels within a normal male range. jmo.

***FireGuy*** · 05-18-2009, 04:39 PM

You might not consider it juicing but it's definately not natural. It's synthetic, you are injecting it and it's classified as an AAS. I hear what you are saying but I disagree on the principal.

**StevePJC** · 05-18-2009, 05:11 PM

Personally I don't consider myself juicing because my goals aren't to be big and strong - It's to feel normal. If I get any benefit from it than great I'm a happy man.

**zaggahamma** · 05-18-2009, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by TRT,MAN

hey got a question. do any of you guys consider being on trt/hrt natural considering your on such a low does. or is it classified as juicing. just curious what people think. i say no because your keeping your levels within a normal male range. jmo.

excellent question....

i often ponder the same thing...

and my answer is if i use test alone in trt doses then i am not juicing in the true meaning of the word...but if i was natural then i would be low t so its kind of a double edge sword

**CHAP** · 05-18-2009, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by FireGuy1

You might not consider it juicing but it's definately not natural. It's synthetic, you are injecting it and it's classified as an AAS. I hear what you are saying but I disagree on the principal.

I agree 100% with fireguy and Im in to try to get TRT

**kickinit** · 05-18-2009, 06:36 PM

Being at a disadvantage I wouldn't call juicing by any means....

Yeah not natural either, we are just screwed on natural gains hehe

**Papa Smurf** · 05-18-2009, 07:01 PM

Havin been on TRT for a year now I'd say we are back to normal. Is it natural for some men to have low test at middle age and some dont, sure. Is it normal to do something about a natural short coming, sure.

My eyes were 20/20 for years natural. Now i have reading glasses to be able to read in a normal way. I know were splitin hairs here but TRT has changed my life. I tell anyone that will listen about my natural short coming and how I got back to normal.

Its kinda funny, when I started my cycle(500mgCyp/300Deca ew) three weeks ago I didnt realize then, but since I was already taken 200mg ew TRT, maybe Im too light on the cyp? Dont want ta highjack this thread, but what do you guys think?

**ENraged** · 05-18-2009, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by TRT,MAN

hey got a question. do any of you guys consider being on trt/hrt natural considering your on such a low does. or is it classified as juicing. just curious what people think. i say no because your keeping your levels within a normal male range. jmo.

I call it medicated when I am on the doctor prescribed dosage.
Much the same as a person being prescribed pain meds for a back injury they just want to feel normal as we do.

**lovbyts** · 05-18-2009, 07:50 PM

I too have pondered this also. I think of it as being at Natural levels so I no longer have the disadvantage as before BUT not if/when I decide to run a little cycle....

A friend of mine who considers himself an expert in anything medical because he is a pharmaceutical Rep (LOL) at one point with say I'm juicing but at the same time says Testosterone E has NOTHING to do with muscle growth and there is NO true test or numbers of where an individual SHOULD be, it's all by feeling. LOL
If that's true I want a LOT more hehehehe

**BOB89** · 05-19-2009, 02:06 AM

I think alot of people on TRT have considered this question. I can't say I'm juicing or natural. My dosage is below what most people produce naturally so I'm not juicing by any stretch, however with hard work in the gym, due to the progress I've made I've had people ask "what I'm on" which is a hard question to answer depending on who the person is. Most of the time I just tell them my doctors got my medicine right finally and leave it at that. No one asks a follow up as to what medicine it is.

i think as long as you take your prescribed dosage you aren't juicing. you can't say your 100% natural either.

Good topic.

**Papa Smurf** · 05-19-2009, 02:52 PM

bump

**Dont wanna be old** · 05-19-2009, 04:27 PM

If my aunt had balls , she would be my uncle . I just strive to be on the high end of the natural test lvl's . Never told anyone about my meds . I guess I'm a natural juicer. But I wouldn't mind testing the waters. Sorry for lack of definition to answer .

**TRT,MAN** · 05-19-2009, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by dontwannabold

If my aunt had balls , she would be my uncle . I just strive to be on the high end of the natural test lvl's . Never told anyone about my meds . I guess I'm a natural juicer. But I wouldn't mind testing the waters. Sorry for lack of definition to answer .

thats kinda funny, creative theory.

**FallenWyvern** · 05-19-2009, 10:38 PM

Your question was natural or juicing.

The answer is not natural and not juicing.

**uphjlyy** · 05-20-2009, 05:32 AM

Anytime I stick a needle in my body and inject a synthetic test I would consider it not normal. If I put my test levels above what is considered normal than its juicing.But personally I don't care, I'm not competing in anything, not going to get tested, and I feel great.

**ghettoboyd** · 05-20-2009, 05:54 AM

i dont mean to offend anyone on hrt or trt but imho it is still somewhat jucing.i mean im 37 now and have been seriously training my ass of with watever test levels i have. i dont feel like i did when i was younger but through good nutrition and training i have found the fountain of youth.and do feel relitivly good.i have been pondering cycling or seeing an endo for trt but i am waiting i guess till it is absolutly nessasary which im shure most of you trt guys did.but it is discouraging to us whome take a grat deal of pride for what we have accomplished without the use of aas to see a dude who says hes natural but on trt all jacked up.i know a few peeps on hrt that look way better then if thay where natural so even low dose test dose wonders for some. again just my opinion. and im saying this in a most respectfull way or at least im trying too.no dissrespect for those on hrt ot trt was intended in these statements.

**Papa Smurf** · 05-20-2009, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

i dont mean to offend anyone on hrt or trt but imho it is still somewhat jucing.i mean im 37 now and have been seriously training my ass of with watever test levels i have. i dont feel like i did when i was younger but through good nutrition and training i have found the fountain of youth.and do feel relitivly good.i have been pondering cycling or seeing an endo for trt but i am waiting i guess till it is absolutly nessasary which im shure most of you trt guys did.but it is discouraging to us whome take a grat deal of pride for what we have accomplished without the use of aas to see a dude who says hes natural but on trt all jacked up.i know a few peeps on hrt that look way better then if thay where natural so even low dose test dose wonders for some. again just my opinion. and im saying this in a most respectfull way or at least im trying too.no dissrespect for those on hrt ot trt was intended in these statements.

Ghettoboyd: What are your Total and Free Test levels currently? If the answer is "I dont know" then yes Im offended.
None of us here enjoy the thoughts of havin to jab a piece of steel in our ass the rest of our lives, but thats the hand we were given. You go to the TRT doc after you have worked your ass off in the gym, hired some nutrition expert to come up with the "best" diet for you, and have takin every supplement out there that you even think may help!
I know that most TRT are over dosed, but thats why some of us get tested every month or so and sometimes has to go from one stick every 2 weeks to one stick a week (JOY) to achieve a corrected balance.

Sorry: Im stoppin now

**ghettoboyd** · 05-20-2009, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by EROC1313

Ghettoboyd: What are your Total and Free Test levels currently? If the answer is "I dont know" then yes Im offended.
None of us here enjoy the thoughts of havin to jab a piece of steel in our ass the rest of our lives, but thats the hand we were given. You go to the TRT doc after you have worked your ass off in the gym, hired some nutrition expert to come up with the "best" diet for you, and have takin every supplement out there that you even think may help!
I know that most TRT are over dosed, but thats why some of us get tested every month or so and sometimes has to go from one stick every 2 weeks to one stick a week (JOY) to achieve a corrected balance.

Sorry: Im stoppin now

fair enough man i appreciate your thoughts and feelings toward this subject.your right i dont know what my test levels are and understand that some peeps need trt.im certainly not against it and am glad that it is an option for us aging bros. im sorry i offended you and im shure many others whom really need it.it was just my opinion.....

**Papa Smurf** · 05-20-2009, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

fair enough man i appreciate your thoughts and feelings toward this subject.your right i dont know what my test levels are and understand that some peeps need trt.im certainly not against it and am glad that it is an option for us aging bros. im sorry i offended you and im shure many others whom really need it.it was just my opinion.....

Its OK man! You just touched a nerve, that is why I stopped. Its your opinion and Im glad your shared it, thats what this forum is all about.

PS: Love you avatar. Just lost my black german shepherd 6 months ago to cancer. Pic reminded me of her

**ghettoboyd** · 05-20-2009, 08:09 AM

sorry about your dog bro.........mine is getting up there in age too, he is 10.he is a great dog as im shure yours was too.sheppards are the smartest and coolest dogs ever.

**zaggahamma** · 05-20-2009, 06:03 PM

[QUOTE=EROC1313;4641443]Its OK man! You just touched a nerve, that is why I stopped. Its your opinion and Im glad your shared it, thats what this forum is all about.

agree

**MR PHATT ASS** · 05-21-2009, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by TRT,MAN

hey got a question. do any of you guys consider being on trt/hrt natural considering your on such a low does. or is it classified as juicing. just curious what people think. i say no because your keeping your levels within a normal male range. jmo.

We can get creatine from meat right?..But we add creatine, protein etc to our bods from supps right?..This can go in all crazy ways but I'd say people not in the known may call it juicing even at our low levels..trt is another supp with more kick..so my answer is no,,and once again anyone who is natural is using otc supps to support their bodies isnt really doing it alone..

Very curious to see responses to creatine, protein answer...

**zaggahamma** · 05-21-2009, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by MR PHATT ASS

We can get creatine from meat right?..But we add creatine, protein etc to our bods from supps right?..This can go in all crazy ways but I'd say people not in the known may call it juicing even at our low levels..trt is another supp with more kick..so my answer is no,,and once again anyone who is natural is using otc supps to support their bodies isnt really doing it alone..

Very curious to see responses to creatine, protein answer...

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