Clomid for HRT?

[Shellhead77]

Hi all. Initially, my urologist was going to put me on test shots for hrt due to my total test levels being 230 ng/dL but he changed his mind at the last moment. Instead, he opted for clomid therapy (50mg - twice a week). He said he was worried about future fertility issues with me since I was so young (32 y.o.).

I am a bit disappointed , but I would like to get my levels up again. What is everyone's opinion on clomid therapy as a primary hrt? With such a low dosage will it help me out? Everywhere I've read, clomid should not be taken for an extended amount a time. I'm worried about the long term effects of this as well.

Thanks.

[Radster]

I've been doing quite a bit of research on Clomid lately because I've been thinking about taking it. I've heard that 50mg/day is a good doseage but I've read that you CAN take it for long amounts of time without negative side effects. I did however just read that Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) is better. Both more effective and it can actually improve your body's natural T level when you come off of it. If I find the article I'll post a link. I think it was written by the guy that wrote Anabolics 2000.

This actually might be it...

Clomid vs Nolvadex

Hi all. Initially, my urologist was going to put me on test shots for hrt due to my total test levels being 230 ng/dL but he changed his mind at the last moment. Instead, he opted for clomid therapy (50mg - twice a week). He said he was worried about future fertility issues with me since I was so young (32 y.o.).

I am a bit disappointed , but I would like to get my levels up again. What is everyone's opinion on clomid therapy as a primary hrt? With such a low dosage will it help me out? Everywhere I've read, clomid should not be taken for an extended amount a time. I'm worried about the long term effects of this as well.

Thanks.

[Shellhead77]

Isn't nolvadex toxic if taken for a long time as well? The problem with this type of therapy from what i've been able to research is that this is just a patch if they naturally have low test levels. Once the treatment stops it back to low levels again.

[flatscat]

Bump for more responses - I thought more would have commented on this

Stupid?
Not enough research?
Interesting?
Brilliant?

Lot's of talk about HCG alone as a therapy.

What are the downsides?

[Radster]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par25.htm

Did you read that article? (My link was kinda screwed up). He says that Nolva is better...

[flatscat]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par25.htm

Did you read that article? (My link was kinda screwed up). He says that Nolva is better...

I read it - but I asked for more responses. You had already posted yours.

I guess what was looking for is more comments on guys taking something other than T to raise T.

There are some on HCG only, I have heard of guys just taking Adex, Clomid, Nolva by themselves to reduce E and increase T.


I think it is perfectly legitimate to try to stimulate the axis depending on diagnosis before taking T.

[Vettester]

I guess if the doctor wants you on a "Clomid only" program, then give it a run and let us know what your updated test levels are. If your system is unable to develop natural test like it did when you were younger, then I might suspect that the Clomid will help stimulate FSH, LH and influence higher testosterone levels, but I don't think it will trigger near enough as what you would see when on HRT with testosterone. My test levels were 195. Now it's in the high 800's. I take 200mg/wk of Cyp for 12 weeks, then my doc has me off 2 weeks, then 10 days of HCG, which is for the fertility and testicular stimulation stuff you're talking about. After that, back to the same regiment.

Just for grins, I will see if my doctor can give me a few minutes on the phone, and I'll ask what things would have been like for me if I just did HCG alone. I've got to check in with them on some other things anyway, so I'll just throw it in as a hypothetical question. Again, in my case, my body produces very low test, and it never stands a chance to jump back up to normal or upper normal ranges by itself. My suspicion is that the HCG or Clomid would only give some marginal increases with the overall test numbers. I might be wrong, but I don't think Clomid alone will put me in the high 800's with the hypogonadal issues that I have. On another note, I'm not positive on this, but I don't know if Clomid is something a person wants to be taking over and over for the long-term.

If I can get more out the doctor on the matter, I'll definitely let you know.

[Garbanzo Dude]

Here are some other options, ask for arimidex or novadex. i like them better, run a search in the main forum on clomid and you'll see why!

Or you can go to sperm bank freeze your little soldiers and run test, with HCG to keep balls in check!

[Vettester]

Okay, I explained your situation to my doc and asked for any input. He said, "At 32, it might not be unheard of to try HCG or Clomid to see if it can stimulate things to get your levels up." He said "IF" they ever did something like that, they would go with a 10 week cycle of HCG (I guess dosages based on each individual's situation), then run blood works shortly thereafter. Again, because of your age, the doctor probably feels your body still has a chance to get things up with a little enticement.

Now I couldn't get any odds or stats out of this, but I got the impression that my doc wasn't putting all his stock into this being a for sure cure all to the situation. Depending on the situation, like damage from cycling too young or something, there was some skepticism about how effective this would really turnout. In my case, he confirmed that I would never see the levels of test that I am seeing if I weren't taking test-cyp. Again, you're younger, so maybe there's a chance for something to happen. However, if it's only marginal or not what you need, then your doc will probably need to go with his original thought of putting you on testosterone.

[Radster]

There's also something called Proviron made by Bayer that's supposed to up Test.

[Ntpadude]

I read it - but I asked for more responses. You had already posted yours.

I guess what was looking for is more comments on guys taking something other than T to raise T.

There are some on HCG only, I have heard of guys just taking Adex, Clomid, Nolva by themselves to reduce E and increase T.


I think it is perfectly legitimate to try to stimulate the axis depending on diagnosis before taking T.

Problem with HCG is you can only use it limitedly... I had an autoaccident in 1994 that damaged my hypothalmus, which means, no LH sent from brain to call up testosterone production. At first they gave me HCG which kickstarted things back into gear , but I guess HCG has a constantly diminishing effect. You can become desensitized or tollerant to it and by the time I got into the 2000's, HCG no longer had any effect what so ever, however herbal products like tongkat ali was able to produce "some" however inadequate natural production of testosterone. I have since given up trying to stimulate natural production as its eventually became a lost cause and only on replacement therapy now for about 4 years now.