Low libido, depression while on test

[maxtrin]

Hello,
I already posted this in AS section but without any reasonable response. I also do think you guys on this board are more experienced in this way.

what to do if someone has lidibo/depression/lost of motivation to train issues while on testosterone ?


what to do if cuprit isnt estrogen?

Do you have ideas?

My situation:
Last friday I took 500mg of suston
And started with 0,5mg/week of arimidex
I usually feel the benefits of TST after 3 days..

3 days ago I rised my dose of arimidex to 0,25Mg /day witout any noticable effect ( maybe it is worse than before dont know)
Today I did shot of 0,5MG

Any ideas?

[Merc.]

Could be prolactin .. Have you seen this thread ???



http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...highlight=merc


Merc.

[maxtrin]

Yeaa I already read this

On monday, I will do blood work

But If you are righ and it is really prolactin ( i never heard about in cycle of tst only ) how to fight with prolactin sides?

Thank you

[redz]

Today I did shot of 0,5MG

You didnt inject the adex did you?

[maxtrin]

You didnt inject the adex did you?

Not of course ( only bad english )

Could be prolactin .. Have you seen this thread ???



http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...highlight=merc


Merc.

I found this:
Most of you do not understand the action of prolactin in the body and its relationship to progesterone (a hormone that stimulates prolactin release). Anadrol, DECA, FINA, and Tren cause elevated prolactin levels. None of these drugs aromatize or affect estrogen levels. They do stimulate progesterone release. Increased progesterone will cause an increase of prolactin. Increased estrogen levels can also stimulate increased prolactin levels. Prolactin stimulates the glandular tissue in the male breast. This is what causes the lactation and other gyno-like symptoms.

When a user uses Testsoterone and an anti-e, he keeps his estrogen levels in check, and suffers no estrogenic or prolactin sides. When a user uses DECA, FINA, TREN or Anadrol, he may increase his prolactin levels. Bromo was a first-generation drug of choice for lowering prolactin levels with BB'ers. The problem with Bromo is proper dosing and the nasty side effects. Then along came Dostinex. It was easier to dose and it had no sides. Both of these drugs directly inhibit prolactin. Stanozolol or Winstrol also inhibits prolactin, but it does it differently. Winstrol blocks progesterone receptors. By doing so, it inhibits prolactin. While Dostinex is the safest way to control Prolactin, it is the most expensive. My next choice would be to use low-dose Winstrol (50mg, Mon, Wed, Fri) with my DECA, FINA/Tren, or Anadrol. You know the problems with Winstrol, but if the cycle is eight weeks or less, you will be OK. Also, I have found that if one keeps his weekly DECA dosing below 400mg weekly that Proalctin doesn't seem to be a problem. The important thing is to keep prolactin and estrogen under control during one's cycles. "


According this prolaction should not be a problem... alright?

[Merc.]

Yeaa I already read this

On monday, I will do blood work

But If you are righ and it is really prolactin ( i never heard about in cycle of tst only ) how to fight with prolactin sides?

Thank you

Like the studies i posted in that other thread show ... test can lower t-3 which can possibly increase prolactin ...

also please see post # 11 in the link I posted ( in my above post).. If you had high prolactin you could look in to using caber or bromo .. but read post # 11 in the other thread ..



Merc.

[Merc.]

Not of course ( only bad english )




I found this:
Most of you do not understand the action of prolactin in the body and its relationship to progesterone (a hormone that stimulates prolactin release). Anadrol, DECA, FINA, and Tren cause elevated prolactin levels. None of these drugs aromatize or affect estrogen levels. They do stimulate progesterone release. Increased progesterone will cause an increase of prolactin. Increased estrogen levels can also stimulate increased prolactin levels. Prolactin stimulates the glandular tissue in the male breast. This is what causes the lactation and other gyno-like symptoms.

When a user uses Testsoterone and an anti-e, he keeps his estrogen levels in check, and suffers no estrogenic or prolactin sides. When a user uses DECA, FINA, TREN or Anadrol, he may increase his prolactin levels. Bromo was a first-generation drug of choice for lowering prolactin levels with BB'ers. The problem with Bromo is proper dosing and the nasty side effects. Then along came Dostinex. It was easier to dose and it had no sides. Both of these drugs directly inhibit prolactin. Stanozolol or Winstrol also inhibits prolactin, but it does it differently. Winstrol blocks progesterone receptors. By doing so, it inhibits prolactin. While Dostinex is the safest way to control Prolactin, it is the most expensive. My next choice would be to use low-dose Winstrol (50mg, Mon, Wed, Fri) with my DECA, FINA/Tren, or Anadrol. You know the problems with Winstrol, but if the cycle is eight weeks or less, you will be OK. Also, I have found that if one keeps his weekly DECA dosing below 400mg weekly that Proalctin doesn't seem to be a problem. The important thing is to keep prolactin and estrogen under control during one's cycles. "


According this prolaction should not be a problem... alright?

Yes the best way is to control estrogen ( again see post # 11 in the other thread) ..

Also how do you know your estrogen isnt too high or too low ??




Merc.

[maxtrin]

Yes the best way is to control estrogen ( again see post # 11 in the other thread) ..

Also how do you know your estrogen isnt too high or too low ??




Merc.

Of couse I am not sure about that but I started at 0,5 week until 0,5mg/day and still feel like a crap....

On monday I will check

prolactin
estrogen
total/free TST
shbg

And what to do if everything on this list will be OK? And I think so :-(

[Merc.]

Of couse I am not sure about that but I started at 0,5 week until 0,5mg/day and still feel like a crap....

On monday I will check

prolactin
estrogen
total/free TST
shbg

And what to do if everything on this list will be OK? And I think so :-(

Keep in mind it can take a little bit for adex to take its full effect .. Keep us posted on your bloodwork also ...



Merc.

[ZonaDave]

restoring libido is a tough one. i've been on TRT for over a year now and it's been hit or miss the entire time.

[maxtrin]

restoring libido is a tough one. i've been on TRT for over a year now and it's been hit or miss the entire time.

But I suffer from depression as well :-(
what about you?

[ZonaDave]

no depression but i did before i started TRT.

how long have you been on that protocol?

[ythrashin]

I bet you've got bunk or very under dosed gear... taking the Adex along with it you are lowering your estrogen to much destroying your libido.

[pepous]

OK guys these are my results


hormone / value / ranges

Albumin - 53,2 <35-53>
prolactin - 245 <72-407>
estradiol 60 <0-160> that is same as 18.75 < 0-50>
SHBG 14,9 <11-80>
total testosterone 96 < 5-30>
free testosteron 2.96 nmol/L = 3.08 % <163-847>
Bio-active testosterone - 85.2 nmol/L = 88.7 % <2.15-17.7>

I felt horrible but day before the BW I didnt take any AI and From that date I feel better... I lowered my dose of arimidex to 0,5mg EOD...

But I still dont feel so good as I usually feel in cycle, but maybe it want some time


I also lowered my dose of TST to 300mg/week ( i hope I am waiting for TST kick in but I am not sure )

[pepous]

Do anyone know why I dont feel great as usually on cycle with this great results? :-)

[zaggahamma]

wtf r u talking about....are u maxtrin and pepous...i thought your posts looked familiar!!!!!

commas instead of decimal points, broken english, why do you have 2 screen names posting as one?

[Testomaster]

Hello,
I already posted this in AS section but without any reasonable response. I also do think you guys on this board are more experienced in this way.

what to do if someone has lidibo/depression/lost of motivation to train issues while on testosterone ?


what to do if cuprit isnt estrogen?

Do you have ideas?

My situation:
Last friday I took 500mg of suston
And started with 0,5mg/week of arimidex
I usually feel the benefits of TST after 3 days..

3 days ago I rised my dose of arimidex to 0,25Mg /day witout any noticable effect ( maybe it is worse than before dont know)
Today I did shot of 0,5MG

Any ideas?

Your question is similar to another one done months ago by the user Pepous...
In case you are the same person I think I've already answered to you.

According by thousand of studies , libido and impotence issues are mainly caused by psychological conditions , not hormones (Let's say 30 % hormonal and 70 % psychological).
If hormonal , solution is simple : Testosterone Therapy (monitoring the estradiol ).
If psychological (your case) I suggest a psychotherapy .

Good luck.