HRT and Deca

[baja212]

I know this same questions has been posed before, but I don't feel like doing a search on it. Further, I even chimed in before and someone respectfuly disagreed.

Could I add 250mg of Deca to my HRT? I was always led to believe that Deca is mild steroid, therefore the mimimal dose should be around 400mg. And Deca shuts you down hard, so should increase your Test per week.

I'm taking the Testim Gel and currently I feel "okay" no more or less. My Doctor won't entertain injections. I'll have to decided whether I'm going to shit can this anit-aging doctor in favor of a Endocrinologist.

Here's my new plan, which I've been turning it over and over in my head.
I plan on taking the Testim Gel for now, and adding another 75mg of Test Enan., plus add 250mg of Deca from my private stash. Also, Arimidex too.
Any benefits to my above plan?

Tboney or V Man, let's here it from you.

[flatscat]

What is your reason for taking the Deca? Sorry, I am not Tboney ot V Man, but I am on trt and deca right now and have been for about 4 weeks.

[baja212]

What is your reason for taking the Deca? Sorry, I am not Tboney ot V Man, but I am on trt and deca right now and have been for about 4 weeks.

I want to add Deca just to alleviate joint pain and maybe even get a tiny bit of strength from the Deca.

How much Deca and Test are you presently taking? Is your TRT doctor prescribed? And is he aware of the Deca? Lastly, how do you feel? BTW, your opinion is of value to me too. The two othr gentleman always have good advice as well.

[talstar]

I am going to add deca to my TRT next week. Will be doing 200mg a week. I am taking 200mg of test every 6 days from doc. Will post any changes good or bad as I go.

[OCTOBER-2009]

I think this is a bad idea. I would never run more Deca than Test. I think 250mg of Deca & 250mg of Teast would be ok. I personally ran 200mg of Deca & 200mg of Test at the same time and loved it. But 75mg of Test, some gel, & 250mg of Deca is not smart.

[BOB89]

deca as part of TRT has my intrest as well, I've discussed it with my doc but he doesn't normally prescribe it as part of TRT. He said that he only uses it for wasting diaseses which I don't have.

Is anyone here from the US on scripted Deca from a normal gp or endo not an anti-aging clinic.

[Epic Ed]

I wish I had some worthwhile input, but I'm just chiming in as part of the "me too" crowd of people who are trying to find a doc who will write a script for deca to treat joint pain. No luck for me, so far. From everything I've read it sounds like deca would act against the primary reason for TRT treatment of dosed as a 1:1 or higher ratio, but I'd like to know how it might work if test were administered at a 2:1 ratio. Unfortunately most docs are scared they'll face scrutiny for writing scripts for any AAS, regardless of potential, legitimate therapeutic benefits. It's a bunch of crap.

[baja212]

I think this is a bad idea. I would never run more Deca than Test. I think 250mg of Deca & 250mg of Teast would be ok. I personally ran 200mg of Deca & 200mg of Test at the same time and loved it. But 75mg of Test, some gel, & 250mg of Deca is not smart.

Ok, please explain????

How much Test am I actually getting with the above Test dosage?

[baja212]

I am going to add deca to my TRT next week. Will be doing 200mg a week. I am taking 200mg of test every 6 days from doc. Will post any changes good or bad as I go.

Are you on Arimidex? With that current dose, are you noticing any water retention or bloat.

[JimInAK]

I am 51 years old. I recently did a cycle: week 1-12 with Test E at 375mg & week 2-11 with Deca at 200mg. I took 0.25 mg of arimidex every other day and I think about the same dose of caber, every third day (I could be wrong on the caber, I can't remember).

I'm on PCT now and I take Nolvadex and Clomid. Pretty standard procedure, from what I understand and a very light cycle.

I gained about 22 lbs., although I have already lost about 5 lbs. I think my gains were mostly muscle, as my neck is noticeably thicker and my biceps are larger.

I have a home gym and worked out, but did not dedicate nearly enough time or consistency there. I dramatically increased my protein intake.

That worked out well for me, and I could have done much better with more dedication. I hope to do better next time. I have been doing HGH for over a year, and I think that helped in many ways.

When I started PCT and switched from Arimidex to Nolvadex and Clomid, the puffiness in my nipples almost immediately went away. What I can infer from that is that my Arimidex dose was a little too low.

I was very satisfied with my results considering, and would consider adding Deca again, to my next cycle. I strongly recommend HGH if you are older.

[Vettester]

I know this same questions has been posed before, but I don't feel like doing a search on it. Further, I even chimed in before and someone respectfuly disagreed.

Could I add 250mg of Deca to my HRT? I was always led to believe that Deca is mild steroid, therefore the mimimal dose should be around 400mg. And Deca shuts you down hard, so should increase your Test per week.

I'm taking the Testim Gel and currently I feel "okay" no more or less. My Doctor won't entertain injections. I have decided I'm going to shit can him after this next cycle in favor of a Endocrinologist.

Here's my new plan, which I've been turning it over and over in my head.
I plan on taking the Testim Gel for now, and adding another 75mg of Test Enan., plus add 250mg of Deca from my private stash. Also, Arimidex too.
Any benefits to my above plan?

Tboney or V Man, let's here it from you.

Baja, thanks for the invite. Unfortunately, I've got no first hand experience with Deca. I read up on it, heard about a zillion posts of peoples experiences with it, and know that Deca-Dick should be added to the dictionary ... But, have not actually done it myself. I've considered it, mostly to see how well it does work with the joints (had arthritis since I was a kid), and of course any anabolic contribution it can offer won't be discarded. My Q to you is, what attribute about Deca is driving you to want to include it in your HRT?

You mentioned that Deca shuts you down hard, which isn't disputed. If you're on HRT, I presume you're numbers are already low. Can you elaborate what your condition and numbers are? Shutting down shouldn't be the primary concern if you're on a good HRT regiment ... But, I don't think your HRT is where you need it to be at this stage. Since you asked for my .02 on the matter, here's what I suggest: Hold off on the Deca for now. You should get your program nailed down with the new doctor that you're talking about first. I'm not a fan of Gel, and definitely not a fan of stacking it with small doses of injections. Have the new doc run BW (complete panel A-to-Z) and feel free to post it here for discussion. See if he has his head on straight and will get you on injections only, preferably at least once per week. Then see what his opinion is about E2 blocker. That I am a fan of, but for balance only. Too high isn't good, but neither is too low. You should run BW frequently to make sure your program is in balance.

Lastly, in my case, I'm on 200mg of "T" EW, and 250iu of HCG 2xWK. I will probably be cut back to 150mg, because the HCG will more than likely be helping my numbers stay over the top. BW will be the truth in about a week. However, knowing that I have all of this dialed in and monitored consistently, including my E2, I would be conservative with doing any Deca if I choose to run some. Probably 150mg in my case. But, I've got a lot of this dialed in and I have a doc that is on top of things with me, so again I recommend you get that done first before doing anything else. Also, I think JPKMAN had some previous Deca experience while on HRT. If so, I'm sure he can elaborate a little more.

Keep us posted - VM

[talstar]

Are you on Arimidex? With that current dose, are you noticing any water retention or bloat.

I am taking arimidex every 3 days and have no water retention. The deca is not from the doc, though he doesn't mind that I am going to take it, he says he can't prescribe it. The reason I am waiting to start (deca) next week is I am getting BW and want my numbers to be legit with what I am taking for HRT.

[Vettester]

I am taking arimidex every 3 days and have no water retention. The deca is not from the doc, though he doesn't mind that I am going to take it, he says he can't prescribe it. The reason I am waiting to start (deca) next week is I am getting BW and want my numbers to be legit with what I am taking for HRT.

Also take Adex ... 0.5mg x 2/wk. No water retention.

[flatscat]

I am taking 2-300/week of deca and love it. Before I took it I could not hardly get up stairs - (most of the cartl taken out of right knee 1 1/2 yrs ago. The pain in the knee also kept me from most of the rehab movements - so my quad was lacking bad - about half the size of my left. After a couple of weeks of deca, pain started subsiding and I was able to get my quad strength back up (still not equal to left though yet).

I just got back from skiing - first time in a long time. NO KNEE PAIN!!!!!

I always make sure I take at least as much t as d, usually a little more. I take adex as needed and caber .25 - .50 twice a week. No sides from the d at all - except increased hunger.

Bottom line is I feel deca has allowed me to rehab my knee and quad. It has decreased my pain to almost nothing.

Hope this helps,

Flats

[zaggahamma]

I am taking 2-300/week of deca and love it. Before I took it I could not hardly get up stairs - (most of the cartl taken out of right knee 1 1/2 yrs ago. The pain in the knee also kept me from most of the rehab movements - so my quad was lacking bad - about half the size of my left. After a couple of weeks of deca, pain started subsiding and I was able to get my quad strength back up (still not equal to left though yet).

I just got back from skiing - first time in a long time. NO KNEE PAIN!!!!!

I always make sure I take at least as much t as d, usually a little more. I take adex as needed and caber .25 - .50 twice a week. No sides from the d at all - except increased hunger.

Bottom line is I feel deca has allowed me to rehab my knee and quad. It has decreased my pain to almost nothing.

Hope this helps,

Flats

glad to hear flat...and thanks for sharing...another plug for deca...

[Vettester]

Would actually like to try a small dose to see how it works with the joints. My doc won't do it, but he doesn't have a problem with offering this other expensive ass program where they will stick all sorts of needles with natural meds directly into the joints. Looks dreadful!

[Epic Ed]

Would actually like to try a small dose to see how it works with the joints. My doc won't do it, but he doesn't have a problem with offering this other expensive ass program where they will stick all sorts of needles with natural meds directly into the joints. Looks dreadful!

I'm with you, Vette. I've had corticosteriod injections, and three dirrerent kinds of synthetic fluid injection into both knees and only the corticosteriod stuff works and that's only for a week or two. I'm also shelling out about $100 a month for a cream not covered by insurance that I have to rub into the knees 3-4 times a day. Talk about a pain in the ass, and all for very marginal benefits at best.

I think I found a source for deca and I'm going to give it a try as soon as I can get the funds together for it plus extra test in order to keep my deca:test ratio at 1:2.

[flatscat]

I'm with you, Vette. I've had corticosteriod injections, and three dirrerent kinds of synthetic fluid injection into both knees and only the corticosteriod stuff works and that's only for a week or two. I'm also shelling out about $100 a month for a cream not covered by insurance that I have to rub into the knees 3-4 times a day. Talk about a pain in the ass, and all for very marginal benefits at best.

I think I found a source for deca and I'm going to give it a try as soon as I can get the funds together for it plus extra test in order to keep my deca:test ratio at 1:2.

I don't think you need to go 1:2. I guess if you are going to do 100 of deca then 200 of test is ok - but if you are going to do 200 of d, then I wouldn't do 400 of t unless you have other goals. Therapeutic doses of d - say around 200/week should not give you d dick if you are at least keeping pace with the t - or a little more. Also have all ancillaries on hand for the t and the d. Just in case.

Flats

[Epic Ed]

I'm planning to go 150mg Deca/300mg test and we'll see how it goes from there. I'll run that at a full 10 week cycle on the deca and then taper off the test back to 100mg EW over 30 days. And, yeah, I'm going to be looking for some advice on AI's but I'll start another thread for that. I'm hoping I won't need them at those doses.

[Vettester]

I'm planning to go 150mg Deca/300mg test and we'll see how it goes from there. I'll run that at a full 10 week cycle on the deca and then taper off the test back to 100mg EW over 30 days. And, yeah, I'm going to be looking for some advice on AI's but I'll start another thread for that. I'm hoping I won't need them at those doses.

Man, I'd be happy to try 100mg and see where it goes. I know I'm not going to let them stick those long ass needles in my leg and charge me a huge fee, when I could just add a little "D" into the weekly "T", bundle it together and that's one shot for me ... Hope you agree. (Got the Dr. Seuss bug going or something).

[zaggahamma]

I'm planning to go 150mg Deca/300mg test and we'll see how it goes from there. I'll run that at a full 10 week cycle on the deca and then taper off the test back to 100mg EW over 30 days. And, yeah, I'm going to be looking for some advice on AI's but I'll start another thread for that. I'm hoping I won't need them at those doses.

when i ran deca thats the ratio i used (150/300)...worked great...felt rotator cuff pain relief and got a great strength boost as well..but agree with flatscat that you dont HAVE TO DOUBLE it...

DEFINATELY ...keep the post alive and let us know what you end up running and how it goes

[talstar]

Starting deca tomorrow after my doc appointment. I have asked this before, but there seems to be alot of interest in using it for joint pain etc on this board now more than ever. What is the least amount per week to use? I have 20mls a want to know how long it will last. Also, could I stay on it from now on as I plan to do with HRT? I take 200mg of test per week currently.

[OCTOBER-2009]

Do you want to take the deca for joint pain or to gain mass? If you want to run it for joint pain 50-100mg a week should be fine. If you want to gain mass, Max it out for 12-16 weeks. But remember my earlier post? I personally would not run more Deca than Test.

Everyone is different. I think you can show some nice gains on 100mg of Deca & 200mg of Test a week. Either way, just run the shit and get back to us on your results.

[talstar]

Took second shot of deca(200mg) this morning along with my test(200mg). Worked out this afternoon and didn't have as much elbow pain I have had when doing triceps. It would be great if it clears up completely. Keep you posted.

[Vettester]

Talstar, I envy you!!! Really curious how it continues to work for you ... So let us know, I'll keep an eye out for your posts. -Thanks, VM

[BOB89]

talstar

is your deca scripted or on your own?

[talstar]

On my own. I am into the second week and the elbow pain has gone away. If it just does that for me it is worth it.

[talstar]

Just took my fourth shot of deca(200mgs). First, I don't have the elbow pain I have had for months. Second, I am seeing some extra strength in my bench and shoulders. I plan on staying with this amount as it has done everything I hoped for.

[Epic Ed]

Outstanding! Thanks for reporting back. I hoping to start the same regiment next month.

[Johnybravo75]

Im interested in adding Deca to my hrt as well. Im looking to add it at a low dose of 100-150mg wk for joint pain relief. My question is, will this dose of deca effect my test levels in any way when i return for bloodwork. im currently only on 100mg wk of test cyp but pretty sure it will be bumped to 150-200wk in a few weeks. If the deca will spike my test levels up, then im going to avoid it because i obviously want to keep the levels low to remain on hrt and higher my dosage.

[Epic Ed]

It would do the opposite. Your test level will be lower, depending on how much deca you take and how you respond, as an individual, to the deca dose. No way to know for sure how much it will impact your test blood levels, but there's only one way to find out. That's the main reason everyone suggests running at least as much, if not more test than deca. Normal guys not on TRT may have good results running test:deca at a 1:1 ratio, but those of us on TRT are kind of left to our own experimentation. I plan to run test:deca 2:1 and then see what my test levels are after the deca cycle. I know some guys run 3:1 if they are on TRT and run deca. If you run deca, please post up with your progress and your findings. That's the only way we're going to be able to get any sort of idea what works, because I'm doubting that anyone is going to get a grant for this kind of research in the US any time soon.

[talstar]

Epic Ed, you bring up a good point, we have to find out ourselves what works, and what doesn't. I enjoy reading everyones input on HRT as it carries more weight than any doctor I have talked to which sucks.

[dec11]

Do you want to take the deca for joint pain or to gain mass? If you want to run it for joint pain 50-100mg a week should be fine. If you want to gain mass, Max it out for 12-16 weeks. But remember my earlier post? I personally would not run more Deca than Test.

Everyone is different. I think you can show some nice gains on 100mg of Deca & 200mg of Test a week. Either way, just run the shit and get back to us on your results.

this simply isnt true

[OCTOBER-2009]

Ok, explain what is wrong & why it is wrong?

[baja212]

I think this is a bad idea. I would never run more Deca than Test. I think 250mg of Deca & 250mg of Teast would be ok. I personally ran 200mg of Deca & 200mg of Test at the same time and lovd it. But 75mg of Test, some gel, & 250mg of Deca is not smart.

I respectively asked you to explain. Other than " Deca Dick" I can't think of another reason. Just expand on why you shouldn't run more Deca than test.

[tazmaniac1]

On my own. I am into the second week and the elbow pain has gone away. If it just does that for me it is worth it.

I have extremely bad elbow pain, and I just did my first injection 400mg of test cyp 2 weeks ago, blood work this week 2nd injection friday then weekly after that.I not sure on the amount of test will be but from what it sounds 300mg per week, but what you say about Deca and your pain in your elbow is great I am looking at Deca as a fix for my elbow and as a supplement to the Test but what concerns me is approaching the Doc with-out making him suspicious of my alterior motive is there a good way to approach him with this.

[Epic Ed]

No doc, unless he's part of an aging and wellness clinic, is going to write you a script for deca. And i he is part of an aging/wellness program you just tell him the truth. No need to dance around the issue -- you looking for pain relief.

[zaggahamma]

Ok, explain what is wrong & why it is wrong?

from what i've read...the previous belief was to not use more deca than test but i believe that the new belief is if you have a nominal amount of test running concurrent with the deca you should avoid the deca dick syndrome....like is said this is just what i've read and beliefs, ect...

i personally ran more test when i actually used deca

[OCTOBER-2009]

I respectively asked you to explain. Other than " Deca Dick" I can't think of another reason. Just expand on why you shouldn't run more Deca than test.

Like i said in my explanation I "personally" would not run more Deca than Test. And yes, Deca Dick is the reason. Being huge is meaningless if your dick is broke.

I gave you my opinion, the choice is yours.

[baja212]

Like i said in my explanation I "personally" would not run more Deca than Test. And yes, Deca Dick is the reason. Being huge is meaningless if your dick is broke.

I gave you my opinion, the choice is yours.

First, there was never any mentioned in my prior post of getting "huge". Secondly, If I wanted to get huge I would run 750mg of Sustanon, I would eat 2 Anadrol 50's a day for 8 weeks. Oh, I forgot, I would make sure I had Novladex close by.
Thirdly, unfortunately I'm on HRT because of the repeated above stack. And I was never a fan of Deca but want to add it to my HRT simply to alleviate joint discomfort.

In conclusion, my dick may as well be broke, it's called "married"!!!