Possible change in treatments

[victory229]

I am 39 and have been on this program for about 1 year.

1 cc/ml test cyphinate each week

1.5 anastrozol 2 x's per week

2 iu's hgh 5 x's per week. (I do not cylce off of this)

this is a 10 week cycle followed by:

2 weeks off with this:

first week

500 iu's HCG 5x's week

51mg 2 x's daily for a week

second week

500 iu's daily 5 x's week

51mg clomiphene 1 daily for 5 days

Then I start over.

This reason for the possible change is the cost of the HGH. I went to a local doctor today and he would not prescribe HGH. He did not feel like there is enough long term research to use it. I might have to come off the HGH. I have been on it for 3 months.

As far as the test he was not sure why I was on it to begin with my intial lab results a year ago were 590 total and 194 free. He said that now that I am on it, it is too late to stop. He did prescribe the following:

1 cc/ml test per week FOREVER!!!

That is my concern, no off cycle and he did not want me to have an estrogen blocker. He feels like if there is a spike in estrogen I am taking to much test.

The concern with the current clinic is costs on the HGH. Which I can not get thru this doctor anyway. Also, this current clinic has not requested labs in a year.

The doctor I went today wants labs in 6 weeks and wants to check the prostate. Then labs every 6 months.

[Epic Ed]

So -- your initial protocol listed above was prescribed by one doctor and you saw a new doctor today? The doc you saw today sounds like a typical G.P. who know very little about current male HRT protocols, but will pontificate about how much he thinks he knows. Any doc who does not understand the relationship between achieving high range test levels and estrogen monitoring doesn't deserve to be heard from ever again.

To his credit it does seem like he's aware of prostate concerns, but why wait another 6 weeks for blood work? He needs to take it NOW! Ideally, you'd like to see what your body is capable of producing on it's own since you've been cycling off every 10 weeks. If you're shut down completely, then yes, TRT is for life -- or as long as you want to feel like a healthy virile man.

Start looking into HRT clinics. Was your insurance coving the HGH before? If so, that's a first to me. Most everyone taking HGH is paying for it out of pocket.

[victory229]

Insurance does not cover any of it. I have a Health Savings Account. So, I can use it as a tax deduction.

I with an HRT clinic now and was with another before this one. The first one I started with in 08.

I was on:

500 IU's HCG 3 x's per week and Clomiphene daily.

My current clinic has prescribed my Anavar and will prescribe Deca as well.

I am just concerned about the cost and lack of labs. I know I can get them on my own. But, that is not the point.

If I come off of HGH the cost is ok. But, still twice as much as the local pharmacy.

[Epic Ed]

Still clear as mud to me, dude.

New HRT clinic today? If so, why?

You've been paying out of pocket for HGH already, correct? Then I don't understand what the cost issue is now. Are you saying for former HRT clinic wrote a script for it and you could fill it at your local pharmacy? I'm not aware of any HRT clinic that doesn't require that you purchase the goods from their compounding pharmacy.

[victory229]

Sorry, I am with a clinic now and have been with them for a year. The HGH is very high as you already know. This clinic recommended that I do a min of 6 months of HGH is I do it. I am on month 3. I went looking for a local doctor that might prescribe it for me. Because, I can get twice the amount of HGH at a third of the cost at my local pharmacy.

The clinic I am with requires that I get everything thru them. That is how they make the money.

I am happy with my rep at the clinic I am with. He seems very knowledgeable. I was just looking for a way to get the scripts cheaper. I am concerned about the lack of labs.

This local doctor will NOT prescribe me HGH.
I am concerned about the Local doctors program. Since, he wants me to just take test every week forever and no estrogen blocker.

The question is: Does this local doctors program sound normal. I do not believe it does. But, I need advise.

[victory229]

Still clear as mud to me, dude.

New HRT clinic today? If so, why?

You've been paying out of pocket for HGH already, correct? Then I don't understand what the cost issue is now. Are you saying for former HRT clinic wrote a script for it and you could fill it at your local pharmacy? I'm not aware of any HRT clinic that doesn't require that you purchase the goods from their compounding pharmacy.

I can not sustain the cost. It is way too much. I think I can make it 3 more months which is the min 6 months they recommend.

[Epic Ed]

Got it -- makes sense now.

You're not going to find any doc outside of HRT clinics and ageing/wellness programs that will write you a script for HGH. Not gonna happen.

HGH is prohibitively expensive for me, too, otherwise I'd be running it. However, if all you can afford is another 3 months I'd be tempted to go ahead and do so. It's really not until 6 months, and a lot of people will tell you 12 months, that you see some benefits from the HGH protocol. I'd be tempted to run it to 6 months at this point just because I wouldn't want to piss away the 3 months I've already invested. My understanding is even though the results may not be dramatic, the changes and gains you make are usually sustainable after you've stopped taking the HGH.

[Vettester]

Like Ed mentioned, there's that 6 month factor with getting your first batch of real results. IMO, if you quit it now then you just tossed 3 months down the drain, it was all for not!

IMO, if anyone elects to jump on with HGH, it's got to be for the serious long-haul. If someone senses that there could be even a small chance that their program will get derailed (for one reason or another) then HGH should probably be put on hold. Just my .02

[victory229]

Thanks guys...I will stay the course. I think I will stay will my current clinic. Seems to me since this is what they do, they know more than a local family doctor.

Should I be running more labs than once a year?

[Vettester]

Thanks guys...I will stay the course. I think I will stay will my current clinic. Seems to me since this is what they do, they know more than a local family doctor.

Should I be running more labs than once a year?

I run at least once per quarter. Definitely need to do it more often.

[durak]

Still clear as mud to me, dude.

New HRT clinic today? If so, why?

You've been paying out of pocket for HGH already, correct? Then I don't understand what the cost issue is now. Are you saying for former HRT clinic wrote a script for it and you could fill it at your local pharmacy? I'm not aware of any HRT clinic that doesn't require that you purchase the goods from their compounding pharmacy.

FYI, I found one that will give you all script in hand (or call in) for 200 smackers a month... Still expensive but then all pharma grade and on insurance.

[Vettester]

FYI, I found one that will give you all script in hand (or call in) for 200 smackers a month... Still expensive but then all pharma grade and on insurance.

Wow!!

[ThickOne]

wow is right!!

[Epic Ed]

FYI, I found one that will give you all script in hand (or call in) for 200 smackers a month... Still expensive but then all pharma grade and on insurance.

All? As in whatever you want?

[durak]

Within reason. I don't know if he does anavar and the such. But yes for basic TRT, Anti-E's, HGH, etc.. So the smackers (mind you smackers is not currency or price, it is smackers) is paid monthly and you can take the scripts to any pharmacy you wish. I assume he would be willing to sign or approve prior authorization paperwork that others won't touch.

From the looks of it this guy is true anti-aging, not a doc in a box that only wants cash. He even incorporates diet, training, etc for those in the area.