TRT update - new protocol

[pittbulldad]

Started my new protocol a little over two weeks ago..
initially i was taking
200mg/week test Cyp
50mg/EOD Test Prop
50mg/Daily Anavar
1.5mg EOD arimidex

after about a week i changed the Anavar to EOD (I was getting bad joint pain)
I also changed to doing the test prop to twice weekly (Monday/Thursday) because I didn't like doing shots what felt like every day..

I am having labs drawn this week to see what my Test and estrogen levels are at.. I'm hoping they are much better than they were 3 months ago (estrodial was 60)

[Vettester]

Started my new protocol a little over two weeks ago..
initially i was taking
200mg/week test Cyp
50mg/EOD Test Prop
50mg/Daily Anavar
1.5mg EOD arimidex

after about a week i changed the Anavar to EOD (I was getting bad joint pain)
I also changed to doing the test prop to twice weekly (Monday/Thursday) because I didn't like doing shots what felt like every day..

I am having labs drawn this week to see what my Test and estrogen levels are at.. I'm hoping they are much better than they were 3 months ago (estrodial was 60)

PBD, I've known you for awhile now and I've really enjoyed your posts, so I don't want you to take this wrong, but your protocol is making no sense to me.

IMO, 4.5mg per week of Adex is way too much on the AI, and I would guess to say that this dosage could be the culprit for your joint pain. Your E2 was 60, which is a little high, but nothing that couldn't get under control with 1.5mg or 2mg per week at most.

Probably the most puzzling thing to me is the decision to cut the Anavar down to EOD. IMO, Anavar will have little if any benefit when taken EOD, and it's way too pricey not to be taken properly. Half life is only around 8 hours, which why a lot of people break it up into 2x day.

Lastly, 200mg of cyp is plenty for a balanced TRT program. Why the prop? I think you made a post about it awhile back, but I can't remember why exactly you're throwing it in the mix.

[marcus300]

I support Vettes views ^^

This isn't a TRT protocol its a cycle and to be honest an awful one at that.

Why are you using prop EOD then you swap to twice a week, do you understand about unstable blood levels, infact why are you using prop at all?

var, why?

a-dex is way to much, your going to wipe all your estrogen out of your body.

I would do a lot more research before doing such a bad cycle or TRT

[pittbulldad]

as soon as i went to EOD on the anavar the joint pain went away..

the arimidex was based off of what the doc wanted me to be on to get the e2 down .. which is why i'm doing labs after 2-3 week time frame to see what its at..

the prop was something the doc wanted to throw in get a "kick" in test.. i wasn't really sure why.. so i just use it as a mid week pick me up and mix with the cyp when i take that shot..

is there something that will help with the joint pain with the anavar? i understand the half life issue and certainly want to use it to its maximum effect.

[Vettester]

as soon as i went to EOD on the anavar the joint pain went away..

the arimidex was based off of what the doc wanted me to be on to get the e2 down .. which is why i'm doing labs after 2-3 week time frame to see what its at..

the prop was something the doc wanted to throw in get a "kick" in test.. i wasn't really sure why.. so i just use it as a mid week pick me up and mix with the cyp when i take that shot..

is there something that will help with the joint pain with the anavar? i understand the half life issue and certainly want to use it to its maximum effect.

It could have been a multitude of variables with the joint pain, but I'm betting the high dosage of Adex had a lot to do with it.

Here's my take on TRT and the E2 thing ... IMO it can be more associated to a marathon as opposed to a 100yd dash. You can take 2 or 3, or even 4 months (whatever it takes) to get it dialed in. If your E2 is 60, you could start at 0.5mg x 2 or 3 a week, see where that puts you in 6 weeks, then adjust accordingly. Once you get everything in a zone that is stable and balanced, you can run lab work quarterly and you won't have to micro-manage it.

On the T-Prop ... By your own words you really didn't know "why" he threw it in. Do you sense that this doc gets some compensation on the meds he prescribes? Just looking at all angles and trying to see the objective. I'd personally drop the prop, stick with the 200mg/wk of cyp ... Break it up into 100mg x 2/wk if you sense there is a spike and drop with the once a week routine.

If given a choice to take Var EOD or not take it at all ... I wouldn't take it at all. One suggestion though on the joints, if you're not taking EFA's with all the Omegas (3,6,9) then definitely get them and take them in the morning and evening.

[bowers32]

Let me jump in here and see if I can be of any help.....What vette is telling you is right on. I was started on a protocol similar to yours out of the gate. My "doc", did the same thing to me... put me on a very high protocol of AI.

It screwed me up for many weeks.... I was put on too high test and too high HCG and way too high AI out of the gate.

I spent about 6 weeks in hell..... headaches, no sleep etc....I kept thinking it was the HCG that was causing the headaches and the test that was keeping me from sleeping. Well low and behold if it wasn't because I was on a way too high level of AI

thanks to vette and some others, they talked me down off the ledge as I was ready to walk away from all of this. I stopped everything for two weeks. Then slowly re-introduced test at a lower level and HCG at a lower level and NO AI... I am on week three of that protocol and guess what.... no headaches,,, sleep is better etc.

So i learned the hard way to go very slow and deliberate at first. We have no idea how our bodies are going to handle these drugs at first. I have had two blood tests and will do another one in a few weeks to see where everythign is... if all is well, then I might consider increasing test and am looking forward to adding anavar ... but will not do that until I am sure how my body is dealing with the levels I am at now.

So my advice is to start slow.... get it right and once you know how your body is handling all these stuff, then you can proceed long term.

Good luck

[pittbulldad]

ok so Anavar back to ED and dropping the Prop.. i'll go pick up some Omegas.. see if that helps

[Epic Ed]

If I were you I'd drop the anavar entirely. If the logic was to give you a "kick start" then the test prop EOD in small doses would accomplish that. If the anavar is causing joint pain I would think you could drop it, stay on the test prop and you should be just fine. Or, you could dump them both and just be patient until the test cyp builds a therapeutic level.

I also agree with dropping the AI for now. It looks like my AI dosing was the root of some of my problems last week and I'm doing much better without it. If I do have symptoms of high E2 again I'm only going to run it every 3rd day at .25mg.