23yo Needs HELP Low T low IGF-1 Panic disorder

[n00bs]

Hey guys,

Thought i would join a few forums to get as much info as i can..

Im 23 from australia..

Im having hormone issues, never used AAS.

Test is lowww Started Testogel now its within range.

However SHBG is below range and e2 is in check currently..

I just got IGF-1 Back today

39nmol/L (24-102)

IGFBP3 (151nmol/L (115-265)


Recent labs from 50mg testogel daily

Ok new tests...

Oestradiol 61pmol/l <160
Testosterone 28.0 nmol/L (11.5-32)
SHBG 12 nmol/L* 15-50
FAI 233.3* % (15-100)

TSH - 1.67mU/L (0.40-3.5
ft4 14.8pmol/L (9.0-19.00)
ft3 4.7 pmol/L (2.6-6.0)



Still waiting on adrenal coretex profile.. DHEA was low last time i checked and serum cortisol was high morning though im waiitng for 4x salivary to come back.


Main complaints? Abdominal fat! Wont budge.. I train hard and eat right. Also lately so much fatique i havnt trained for 2 weeks too much muscle aches and pains and just general feeling like shit..

HGH replacement here is like 16k a year in the states u guys can get ghrp6? Thats like 30 bucks a month but not in this backwards country... Its also illegal to import anything even melatonin and dhea are not avialable over counter here everything is backwards...

Need to get sorted i need to get my lfie back on track and im findign it difficult..

Best lifts to date..

Deadlift 1rm 220kg , 5rm 200 / Powerclean 5x3 80kg / Squat 185kg/ Bench 110kg / Push Press 100kg

Currently studying adv dip of nutritional medicine...


Thanks for any input or help..

[Aussiebb]

Not easy questions you have man.There quite complex.

Maybe get a proper check up by a endocrinologist around your suburb who can better answer your questions.

[n00bs]

Not easy questions you have man.There quite complex.

Maybe get a proper check up by a endocrinologist around your suburb who can better answer your questions.

have been to many endos i have no faith in them what so ever... They are all fools who only deal with diabetes. Thye though my 7.3 range (8-40) testosterone was fine.. What a joke.

I have a good doc now but i only see him once a month and now im looking at ghrp6 supplementation after i get my 24hr urinary GH results to see if it is liver not producing IGF-1 or pituitary not producing GH.

4 x saliva comes back soon so i can see if cortisol is supressing GH, but what worries me is low SHBG as low igf-1 and low SHBG are a sign of insulin resistance.


All i have learnt regarding hormones has been on forums well not all but thats how it started.. There is somehting aobut tlaking to people with the same problems they have this understand and generally know more aobut it then the dr themselves as they spend all their time researching their problems.

[ReBilly]

Few things to keep in mind brother-

You're young. Most of us had no idea how to ask the right questions or what was wrong with us until way later in life. As hard as it is, at least you're addressing it early, which means you'll more likely get it dialed in and won't miss as much living as a lot of us had to

'Nother thing, you're pressing your docs in all the right ways. Keep pushing and you'll get your answers.

Insurance- I don't know how it works in your country, but it might cover HGH therapy. If it does, get insured before you get diagnosed so its not a pre-existing condition. Not sure if that will work or not, but a co-pay is more realistic than 16k out of pocket a year

[Aussiebb]

Do you think your overweight noobs? That could decrease shbg.

I was goin to say check your thyroid and see if that is the reason why you have low shbg, but thats seems fine.

For some reason, your testosterone is not binding very well to your SHBG.

[n00bs]

Do you think your overweight noobs? That could decrease shbg.

I was goin to say check your thyroid and see if that is the reason why you have low shbg, but thats seems fine.

For some reason, your testosterone is not binding very well to your SHBG.

Apparently that is a good thing..

I am 108kg atm.. 177cm.

I oly have abdominal fat but it is all due to hormones. I.e cortisol possible thyroid/adrenal problems and of course hypogonadism for so long and low igf-1.

Anyone would have abdominal fat with those issues...

Im hoping ghrp6 can shed some abdominal fat to increase SHBG a little..

However i dont want it too high as my dr calls it sex handbrake binding globulin..


Insulib resistance/ syndrom x /prediabetic i suppose is my worst fear...

[tubs]

what are your sugar levels

[n00bs]

what are your sugar levels

I had them ordered moths ago they were fine..

However i am wanting a glucose tolerance test done. However if there are sugar problems im thinking it is cortisol related due to panic disorder changing cortisol pattersn in people.

[tubs]

I had them ordered moths ago they were fine..

However i am wanting a glucose tolerance test done. However if there are sugar problems im thinking it is cortisol related due to panic disorder changing cortisol pattersn in people.

just to be clear - you had your a1c tested? when i hear belly fat this is always the first thing i think of.

can't believe dhea is illegal. although i think it is in canada as well

[n00bs]

just to be clear - you had your a1c tested? when i hear belly fat this is always the first thing i think of.

can't believe dhea is illegal. although i think it is in canada as well

This country is backwards mate... We sell cartons of bourban and sugar to 18yo's but heaven forbid someone cheats at a sport that would be wrong!

If its all in the name of "health" then why is there a mcdonalds and kfc on every ****ing corner of this town.

Its all such a hippocritical joke.

Anyway no have not had ac1 tested, but i will request it on my next pathology form aolng with GTT.

But im hoping loweirng cortisol and rasising IGF-1 will help.. However i have heard IGF-1 also makes blood sugar worse.

[tubs]

hgh etc. can make your sugar levels go up but not in everyone - like everything else i guess - but that is why it is important to get a a1c before you start anything that will raise your igf.

[n00bs]

Just ordered a Glucose tolerance test.. Yay for 2 hours sitting in a pathology lab.

[tubs]

Just ordered a Glucose tolerance test.. Yay for 2 hours sitting in a pathology lab.

a1c is a simple blood test and is probably all you need to rule out a sugar issue and move to the next step

[n00bs]

a1c is a simple blood test and is probably all you need to rule out a sugar issue and move to the next step

Thanks mate sent an email to the doc...
Have to wait a few weeks to see him now.

Once thta comes back going to try some ghrp6.

[n00bs]

Just ordered some ghrp-6 to boost igf up..

See how that goes.

[tubs]

let us know how it works
how much are you going to pin (i heard 100mg per dose is ideal)

[n00bs]

let us know how it works
how much are you going to pin (i heard 100mg per dose is ideal)

I still need to do more reading and research form what i have seen its 100mg 3 times daily?

Please someone tell me if this is not correct..

I have also read that afterwards your GH output will be increased then what it was before..


Other news morning cortisol came back at 557nmol/L .. I know mornign serum draw is useless but its all medicare would pay for. Plus i ordered 4x daily saliva cortisol and reuslts will be back next week.

[stevey_6t9]

OP what endo you see at in syd?

[n00bs]

OP what endo you see at in syd?

Im not actually seeing an Endo, more a GP who speicalises in this field endo's are ****ing useless...

I would prefer not to say over the board to give the idea that the doc is a dodgy fellow everything is above board and I genuinley need this stuff i do not use for AAS purposes...

If you are having problems feel free to pm me as i dont think i can pm yet and we can discuss things...

Hope you understand.

Thanks

[stevey_6t9]

Im not actually seeing an Endo, more a GP who speicalises in this field endo's are ****ing useless...

I would prefer not to say over the board to give the idea that the doc is a dodgy fellow everything is above board and I genuinley need this stuff i do not use for AAS purposes...

If you are having problems feel free to pm me as i dont think i can pm yet and we can discuss things...

Hope you understand.

Thanks

i cant pm you, you might need more posts.

but regarding my question, its for legitimate medical purposes, well in my case hypogonadism.

[n00bs]

i cant pm you, you might need more posts.

but regarding my question, its for legitimate medical purposes, well in my case hypogonadism.

Ill try and get more points. I just dont want my Docs name on a "steroid" based forum..

add me on msn if you want mate