Random thoughts on TRT and this board.

[flatscat]

Recently took about a 21 day break for my TRT. I did this on my own for several reasons. Mostly it was to remind myself what it is like to have low t and how shitty it really is. Well I accomplished that and for that reason alone I am glad I did it.

Now that I have said that..... Don't do it - ever - if you can help it. I didn't feel really crappy for long - about a week - and started feeling better pretty quick - about a week after i re-started - but I will say that I am having to dial things in again - after being fine tuned for a long time. So, I hope to be back on track in the next month or two.

Trust me, you will feel like shiat when you come off.... If you need to be reminded - just PM me and I will fill you in.

Flats

[APIs]

Thanks for posting this. I've wondered what it would be like to take such a break. Don't know if I would have experimented with it or not, but I think I'll pass now upon reading this...lol.

[bass]

thanks for putting that idea to rest Flats!

[flatscat]

jus the kinda sumbitch i am bass brother

i'd take a bullet for you guys

[flatscat]

Just a reminder to you guys to take your Vit D - and give blood as often as you can - without fail - whether you need to or not because of high levels - it has many benefits and you will probably feel better afterwards!

Hope everyone had a great Christmas and has an awesome New Year's!!!

Flats

[moparmuscle]

Why the vitD?

[FONZY007]

1. High BF in males more often than not leads to higher E2 levels. One should do all he can to reduce BF, change diet, and start Cardio and strength training to develop more lean mass and redo BW to determine the need for trt at that point if at all possible. The addition of an AI alone may be sufficient enough to get over the hump. The addition of HCG may also help get one "over the hump" without adding extra t whether by gel or inj's. If you can't get this done and are low, then by all means you can go about the transformation of your low t body with the use of added t. The high BF will be your worst enemy though until you get it under control. If you have high BF, E2 and your doc knows nothing or wont prescribe and AI to start with start looking elsewhere immediately for a more knowledgeable physician.

2. Most of us are deficient in Vit D. Get plenty of sun, or supplement if so.

3. Frequent BW (every ten or so weeks) is essential your first 6 months on a trt protocol. Semi annual is okay after you have learned what works for your body and what doesn't. One of the really cool benefits of trt is you will get to know your body better than anytime in the past. You should pay attention to what it is saying at all times.

4. Pay attention to this board - it is your BEST resource for information. I can almost promise you whatever concern you have has been talked about here. If not, there are a ton of good guys (and gals) that will try to point you in the right direction.

5. Make friends with folks that may not necessarily hang out in the trt board much. You will need advise at some point on diet, exercise, maybe peptides, and general life questions as you go through this journey.

6. Always be respectful and try to help others on this board as much as you can - pass it down as you have your own experiences.

7. Never let anyone tell you or feel that what you are doing is wrong in any way.

8. Resist the temptation to draw the plunger back a little more or rub some extra on - first, more is not always better. You will be on a roller coaster for a while until your body levels things off. Any change in dosage will make that process harder and you will probably feel worse. Establish your baseline BW results and constantly compare how you are doing with each subsequent lab work. Second, you will run out of your script early and may be without your t until you can get a refill. And lastly, your numbers might be higher than what the doctor wants which may lead to him lowering your dose because he didn't know you were taking more than he prescribed.

9. TRT is not a perfect science. Most people go through periods of problems no matter how long they have been on. Don't give up - see #4!

10. Remember that everything you take will effect everything you take. T should raise total and free t and E2, an AI should raise free and lower E2, HCG should raise total, free and E2 and so on and so on.

11. Read #10 again!

12. Use TRT to transform not only your body back where it should be normally, but your life as well. It helped me refocus on my wife, kids, job, friends, family and my body. It has the power to do all of these things if you do it right, take care of yourself, and are patient. Do not get in a rush to be beach ready (if you are overweight) in a month. It took a while for most of us to get to the point of needing trt, or realizing that we needed to make a change. It will take a while to get back to where you should be.

13. Always take before pic's. It not only gives you something to compare your transformation to, they can serve as a motivation to NEVER go back to the way you were. If you do, for whatever reason, crank it back down and get with the program again - you will have already done it so you will know what you have to do. And take pic's again. Recent advise was given that you should never trust a mirror - how true that is. I looked in a mirror for over twenty years and told myself as I sucked in my gut that it wasn't so bad. Even with my wife asking me to lose weight, being immobile and lethargic, it didn't look so bad in the mirror or on the scale.

14. If you choose not to do #12, and think that adding t will work miracles just by injecting or rubbing it on and that's it - you will probably be very disappointed in the results. You will probably gain BF, feel the same or worse, and your treatment will most likely fail in the end.

That's it for now. There is a million other things. Feel free to post your thoughts and advise.

Well said I jumped on trt and had high bf and got bad sides from mostly acne

[moparmuscle]

Um I guess my weekly tanning helps then lol.

[FONZY007]

Um I guess my weekly tanning helps then lol.

I tanned just for that reason, had no issue with acne than lol, did it twice a week

[moparmuscle]

If I tanned twice a week id look so dark. As it is once a week I am very very brown (genetic).

[FONZY007]

If I tanned twice a week id look so dark. As it is once a week I am very very brown (genetic).

Lol I'm Hispanic also

[flatscat]

Bump for newbs and more thoughts.

[flatscat]

Bought time.

[flatscat]

Okay men, it has been a long while since I had anything of importance to say around here (not that I ever did lol)- kinda took a hiatus. How has everyone been?

I told my wanna be anti aging doc to take a hike, and found a clinic that would prescribe everything I needed (but they are total idiots - and the bw is embarrassingly lacking) and have been steady on my usual dosages (with the exception of adex - last e2 was eight I think). Oh yeah, they put me on metformin because my A1C was a little elevated - what do you guys think about that?

Really fell off the wagon as far as diet and any kind of training - I am prolly 15-20lbs above where I was. Gotta get back into the swing of things again. I guess I need to take some of my own advise in the first post.

Guess what I want everyone to know is this group we have here is not just a wealth of knowledge on trt, but also a support group and motivators to help keep each other on track. I personally wish we could have our own before/after pics as a sub to this section - Vette????


Glad to be back in your company, brothers.

Flats

[keep fightin]

great to hear your gettin back in the saddle Flats! this a great place to hang your hat, let us know how you decide to jump back in..

[zaggahamma]

no more random calves sightings

metaformin ...dont know much about it..you and my grandmother in law take it...shouldnt it help with sugar and possible aid in weightloss?

i know its hard to focus on yourself when your taking care of everybody else so just have to say best of luck to you

your friend

jp

[zaggahamma]

just noticed all the fn games are on late ...either 8:30 or 9....guess theres more money in late night ads..guess they figure staying up til 11-12 isnt nothing

[Vettester]

I personally wish we could have our own before/after pics as a sub to this section - Vette????

Glad to be back in your company, brothers.

Flats

Glad you're back Flats. Trust me, I fully understand the variables of life and how it can pertain to having the extra time for doing some of the things we need, and want. I'm sure you will grab it by the horns again just fine ...

On the sub forum, I'm actually working some thoughts with Admin, where we could possibly fuse a VIP type sub forum here for the knowledgeable and senior members, which might be our haven for medical price discussions. Maybe we can get a photo sub in the mix with it too.

PS: I'll gladly send you the info to my clinic if you want. They're easy to work with, and I just do my labs on my own and send it to them. Full range of therapies included ... Also, no personal experience with elevated A1C, but I'm presuming some of that will get back on the normal track when you start up your diet and exercise regiment again. My oldest brother has diabetes, so I've always been conscientious about that stuff. In your case, it's like you said, you fell off the wagon for a bit and got a few pounds to deal with. Again, no doubt, you will have that under control throughout the summer.

[flatscat]

Flats is back. So is this thread for the newbs.

[VTX1800]

Great freaking post man!!!!