Do you switch needles after you draw to pin?

[flatscat]

Let's see it boys

[gym_junki]

yep draw wif a 19

[D7M]

Yep...I always do

[ottomaddox]

They're so cheap.

[zaggahamma]

absoglutely

[marcus300]

Yes of course,

[tamvu]

absoglutely!

[zaggahamma]

absoglutely!

wow great minds

[crg]

be funny if I voted "yes" uh?

[frawnz]

You don't NEED TO, but it can make things easier. The reason most people swap needles with AAS is because they use different sizes to draw and inject. It's kind of generally accepted that even pushing a needle through the rubber stopper can dull it, although I'm not sure whether this is actually true or not. Hospitals inject with the same needle they draw with from everything I've seen.

[zaggahamma]

You don't NEED TO, but it can make things easier. The reason most people swap needles with AAS is because they use different sizes to draw and inject. It's kind of generally accepted that even pushing a needle through the rubber stopper can dull it, although I'm not sure whether this is actually true or not. Hospitals inject with the same needle they draw with from everything I've seen.

i've tried both and definately feel a difference

[PC650]

i draw with a 18 pin with a 23

[frawnz]

i've tried both and definately feel a difference

I've tried both as well and didn't notice any change. This was with sub-q insulin needle injections tho... although I would think the smaller needles would be more affected by "dulling" than a larger, thicker needle. I haven't tried it with IM AAS injections tho, as I switch from 18g to 25g for that so it's not even an option.

[zaggahamma]

I've tried both as well and didn't notice any change. This was with sub-q insulin needle injections tho... although I would think the smaller needles would be more affected by "dulling" than a larger, thicker needle. I haven't tried it with IM AAS injections tho, as I switch from 18g to 25g for that so it's not even an option.

could u imagine pinning with an 18 guage every week forever....OUCH

[dosXX]

a must

[Vettester]

Switching from larger to smaller is the only way to go.

[crg]

Flats,
Not to beat a dead horse but I think an equally interesting poll would be to as people “WHY” they switch pins?
I believe you would find most on this TRT board do whatever it is they do based on suggestions/ opinions of other board members. The results would be long on suggestion/opinion but short on any actual scientific proof or health benefit.

If the liquid exits the pin (injection) an acceptable rate, the only reason for drawing with a larger gauge would be the time it takes to fill the syringe is unacceptable. So it’s a time issue?

Or, you believe it dulls the end of the pin by piercing the rubber stopper and then it’s just too painful for you. So, it’s a pain issue?

Interesting topic though...

[frawnz]

The needed force of pushing contents out of a syringe is exponentially less than that of drawing contents in, which is why it's a pain in the ass to draw AAS out of the vial with a small syringe.

[frawnz]

could u imagine pinning with an 18 guage every week forever....OUCH

I don't think I could make myself do an 18g injection unless it was an extreme emergency like sarin/mustard gas.

[flatscat]

Flats,
Not to beat a dead horse but I think an equally interesting poll would be to as people “WHY” they switch pins?
I believe you would find most on this TRT board do whatever it is they do based on suggestions/ opinions of other board members. The results would be long on suggestion/opinion but short on any actual scientific proof or health benefit.

If the liquid exits the pin (injection) an acceptable rate, the only reason for drawing with a larger gauge would be the time it takes to fill the syringe is unacceptable. So it’s a time issue?

Or, you believe it dulls the end of the pin by piercing the rubber stopper and then it’s just too painful for you. So, it’s a pain issue?

Interesting topic though...

Thought about it - but too many variables. Knew you would ask that too.

Here is someone's homework who has more time than me - find a before and after magnified pic of a needle that has passed through the rubber. They are so friggen sharp and are manufactured to such low tolerances, that it would prolly scare you to death even if you can't feel the difference.

I switch because of both time and the dulling. They are so friggen cheap, who wouldn't want to save time and have a sharper pin?

Speaking of that, it is time for me to get my 18g 1" and my 25 1/2" ready.

Later

[zaggahamma]

I had 25 guage pins at one time and believe i skipped the day i was due to pin because i didnt believe that drawing the solution out was even possible bought a box of 18's and was good to go the next day....agree, time and sharpness...black and white esp being on trt...8 week cycle, eh, less problem but even so...like stated b4 they are pretty cheap too

[crg]

The needed force of pushing contents out of a syringe is exponentially less than that of drawing contents in, which is why it's a pain in the ass to draw AAS out of the vial with a small syringe.

FWIW- I just pinned: right lat delt, 25g 1" auto retract, test C, 1/2 cc (200/cc)..it took 40 sec to pull it and I pushed it in 30 sec, same needle, no pain, no blood, no problems...all I'm saying is it works for me, but I'm in no rush

[flatscat]

ok ok ok ok bro, I am happy for you. lmao

[fleck]

i dont bother. haha well someone had to. btw when your drawing out liquid , do you do that slowly to avoid airbubles. And what is the best way to draw without getting airbubbles in there?

[frawnz]

i dont bother. haha well someone had to. btw when your drawing out liquid , do you do that slowly to avoid airbubles. And what is the best way to draw without getting airbubbles in there?

I just stick the needle in the stopper, flip over the vial and draw. It doesn't really matter if I get air bubble, because after I'm done pulling and remove the needle from the stopper, I draw back even further to make sure I pull any excess from the needle, then I swap out to the smaller needle and push all the air out until I get the small bead on the needle tip.

[forrest_and_trees]

Interesting... I've pretty much always drawn and pinned with the same needle. Too cheap, too lazy, take your pick. I had 22g 1inch for a while and it was easier to draw but pinning became a pain after a while... literally. That's when I switched to 25g 1inch and now it's just a pain to draw but if your patient, it'll come. I have noticed however, that sometimes, regardless of size, if you hit the right spot, [or wrong spot as it may be] it hurts like a sombich. It happened to me just today, I'm talking just piercing the skin. I had to move about an inch away before the skin wasn't sensitive. Not sure the exact cause but I'm assuming it has to do with nerve endings etc.

OH... and here's your image. Clearly NO way you want to reuse the same needle 6 times... Seriously, WTF?! After seeing that, I just may start switching after all.

[zaggahamma]

yeh forrest...same here...i like the go in like butter injects....fast i believe is key

[frawnz]

Also, I always look at the needle tips before I inject because I have noticed that not all needles have the same angle/sharpness, even in the same batch. I've even had one that had literally no point to it.

[77079M]

I use 25g needles and have always drawn and pinned with the same needle. I takes a little bit to draw up the .5cc I inject, but it's no big deal.

[Epic Ed]

Flats,
Not to beat a dead horse but I think an equally interesting poll would be to as people “WHY” they switch pins?

...

If the liquid exits the pin (injection) an acceptable rate, the only reason for drawing with a larger gauge would be the time it takes to fill the syringe is unacceptable. So it’s a time issue?

Or, you believe it dulls the end of the pin by piercing the rubber stopper and then it’s just too painful for you. So, it’s a pain issue?

Interesting topic though...

It's both for me. I prefer the ease of drawing with a larger gauge and I like a freshy to stab myself with. I ran out of 18 ga pins a while back and had to do two injections with the 25 ga pin as my draw and pin needle. It sucked coming and going in comparison. YMMV...

[THORSZ]

I always switch. Pins are cheap so why not? It's clean and feels better.

[Termin8r27]

i draw with a 18 pin with a 23

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[ericzacha]

It's really just a matter of preference. You draw with a smaller gauge needle, it just takes a little bit longer. I draw and inject with a 27g

[warchild]

same needle

[flatscat]

Interesting... I've pretty much always drawn and pinned with the same needle. Too cheap, too lazy, take your pick. I had 22g 1inch for a while and it was easier to draw but pinning became a pain after a while... literally. That's when I switched to 25g 1inch and now it's just a pain to draw but if your patient, it'll come. I have noticed however, that sometimes, regardless of size, if you hit the right spot, [or wrong spot as it may be] it hurts like a sombich. It happened to me just today, I'm talking just piercing the skin. I had to move about an inch away before the skin wasn't sensitive. Not sure the exact cause but I'm assuming it has to do with nerve endings etc.

OH... and here's your image. Clearly NO way you want to reuse the same needle 6 times... Seriously, WTF?! After seeing that, I just may start switching after all.

tol yu

thnx for finding those F/T

[dosXX]

It's really just a matter of preference. You draw with a smaller gauge needle, it just takes a little bit longer. I draw and inject with a 27g

loving those 27s myself - painless!

[johncalvin]

I don't

[First6]

Also, I always look at the needle tips before I inject because I have noticed that not all needles have the same angle/sharpness, even in the same batch. I've even had one that had literally no point to it.

Very True.

Interesting... I've pretty much always drawn and pinned with the same needle. Too cheap, too lazy, take your pick. I had 22g 1inch for a while and it was easier to draw but pinning became a pain after a while... literally. That's when I switched to 25g 1inch and now it's just a pain to draw but if your patient, it'll come. I have noticed however, that sometimes, regardless of size, if you hit the right spot, [or wrong spot as it may be] it hurts like a sombich. It happened to me just today, I'm talking just piercing the skin. I had to move about an inch away before the skin wasn't sensitive. Not sure the exact cause but I'm assuming it has to do with nerve endings etc.

OH... and here's your image. Clearly NO way you want to reuse the same needle 6 times... Seriously, WTF?! After seeing that, I just may start switching after all.

based on the pic.... I'm going to start trying to get about 12 pins out of each needle!

Seriously though.... No I use the same to draw ans pin. Never had a problem as long as you check the needle first. Once in a while you get a bad one and it hurts when it breaks the skin.

[zaggahamma]

Very True.



based on the pic.... I'm going to start trying to get about 12 pins out of each needle!

Seriously though.... No I use the same to draw ans pin. Never had a problem as long as you check the needle first. Once in a while you get a bad one and it hurts when it breaks the skin.

i saw that picture before....i wonder its similar to what the needle looks after piercing the rubber stopper on the vial

[flatscat]

i saw that picture before....i wonder its similar to what the needle looks after piercing the rubber stopper on the vial

I would think the rubber does more damage than our skin does (well some of us)...