Our Gear is Frozen

**streeter** · 02-03-2011, 01:56 PM

Well my wifes cream and my Test Cyp and HCG was supposed to be delivered by UPS Monday. We missed the delivery because we were at the gym and Tuesday the big storm hit and our gear has been sitting in a warehouse since Monday. I doubt it's heated so I assume it has frozen since it was below zero the last few days.

I called UPS today and they said they are out trying to deliver some of the boxes today so I might get it.

So do you think any harm has been done to any of it or just let it thaw out and don't worry about it?
P.S. The HCG is of course in powder but will the bactatic ( I can't spell that word and too lazy to look it up) water freeze?
I figure the Test is in oil so it shouldn't freeze and I don't know about my wifes cream its test and progrest and estriol etc..(All in One cream I assume it's her first order)

**flatscat** · 02-03-2011, 02:03 PM

it will all be fine - and thank goodness it didn't get stuck in a warehouse this summer in 110 degree heat for two days!

**bdzemske** · 02-03-2011, 02:11 PM

lol ya that would be bad flat

not too sure about test, but my hcg froze once and it was fine.

**streeter** · 02-03-2011, 02:14 PM

cool I suppose the worse thing that could happen then is maybe the water freezing and breaking the bottles. I guess we will see when it gets here. I'm the only one at home right now and I'm afraid to even take a shower for fear I will miss it. Have you ever noticed the damn phone always rings as soon as you get in the shower it's like Karma

**chi** · 02-03-2011, 02:17 PM

i dont think it froze to be honest with you; in regard to the water

**flatscat** · 02-03-2011, 02:19 PM

like a kid at 12am on Christmas morning you are.... i remember the feeling....let us know how it goes (and how long it took to mix, inject and rub) lmao

**streeter** · 02-03-2011, 02:27 PM

LOL I'm really looking forward to my wife getting her hormones in balance giggity giggity

**cowboy57** · 02-03-2011, 09:02 PM

UPS would have it in a heated building. It would only freeze if left on the truck, which they don't generally do.

**streeter** · 02-03-2011, 09:13 PM

^^ Good News Thanks. They still didn't delever today. Still too much ice on the roads. We Cowboys here in TX don't do snow and ice too well.

**Far from massive** · 02-03-2011, 09:54 PM

If it has gotten cold the cyp may have come out of solution and crystallized. In that case place a pot of water on the stove and heat it to 150°f or so and put the bottle with the stopper in place and the crystals will dissolve, let it cool slowly and agitate as it cools. If the problem returns (often it will crash again overnight) what you can do is to heat the bottle to a temp slightly above the melting point of the Test Cyp which is fortunatly fairly low 98°c-104°c which works out to slightly below or above the boiling point of water so by adding a 1/4 cup of salt to 16oz of water you can raise the boiling temp to about 110°c ( just did it with a good thermometer to make sure the amounts and temps were correct since you may not have an accurate thermometer) which will be perfect as this will acutally melt the test cyp and allow it to mix fully with the other chems on the vial. Many will say you should add a vent pin to your vial. However you really do not need to do this as all the cosolvents in the vial boil way above this temp. What you can do to make you feel more secure ( you never can tell a UGL may have put rubbing alcohol in the bottle which could be a problem) is to place an entire insulin syringe in the stopper this will also give you something to grab the vial with, note DO NOT try to lift the vial by the syringe 90% of the time it will work the other 10% will burn you. By the way regardless of whether you use a vent pin or not you should always wear eye protection or face shield, in case you drop the vial etc. Now that the test has been allowed to liquify allow it to cool while agitating the bottle, I grab it with a rag and shake it gently. You do not want to keep the cyp above its boiling point for longer than you have to, it won't kill it but its kinda like keeping coffee outside the container.

OK whewee what a long reply, on the HCG agreed as long as the water has not cracked the container its fine.

The cream I have no idea check the manufacturers website for information.

Good luck and best wishes,

FFM

**frawnz** · 02-03-2011, 10:00 PM

I used to work at UPS and our warehouse was neither heated nor air conditioned. Maybe that's different up north, but down here, whatever temp outside is the same temp inside the building.

**streeter** · 02-03-2011, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Far from massive

If it has gotten cold the cyp may have come out of solution and crystallized. In that case place a pot of water on the stove and heat it to 150°f or so and put the bottle with the stopper in place and the crystals will dissolve, let it cool slowly and agitate as it cools. If the problem returns (often it will crash again overnight) what you can do is to heat the bottle to a temp slightly above the melting point of the Test Cyp which is fortunatly fairly low 98°c-104°c which works out to slightly below or above the boiling point of water so by adding a 1/4 cup of salt to 16oz of water you can raise the boiling temp to about 110°c ( just did it with a good thermometer to make sure the amounts and temps were correct since you may not have an accurate thermometer) which will be perfect as this will acutally melt the test cyp and allow it to mix fully with the other chems on the vial. Many will say you should add a vent pin to your vial. However you really do not need to do this as all the cosolvents in the vial boil way above this temp. What you can do to make you feel more secure ( you never can tell a UGL may have put rubbing alcohol in the bottle which could be a problem) is to place an entire insulin syringe in the stopper this will also give you something to grab the vial with. By the way regardless of whether you use a vent pin or not you should always wear eye protection or face shield, in case you drop the vial etc. Now that the test has been allowed to liquify allow it to cool while agitating the bottle, I grab it with a rag and shake it gently. You do not want to keep the cyp above its boiling point for longer than you have to, it won't kill it but its kinda like keeping coffee outside the container.

OK whewee what a long reply, on the HCG agreed as long as the water has not cracked the container its fine.

The cream I have no idea check the manufacturers website for information.

Good luck and best wishes,

FFM

Wow you know your stuff! Obviously you might be the person I should talk to if I decide to ever try a recipe. I used to brew my own beer and make wine so if I can do that.... Anyway thanks for the reply I am going to re read it again after I post this. Also mine is not UGL its from a HRT Pharm in Florida. The only UGL I would ever use is the one in my kitchen ( I say that but you never know) if I ever decide to learn how to do it and how to get the raw material.

**streeter** · 02-03-2011, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by frawnz

I used to work at UPS and our warehouse was neither heated nor air conditioned. Maybe that's different up north, but down here, whatever temp outside is the same temp inside the building.

I agree I called UPS today and voiced my concern he didn't make me feel any better by saying it's climate controlled actually he kinda confirmed that it isn't (I just said medicine didn't want him stealing my gear

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**Corpsman** · 02-04-2011, 12:44 AM

I would ask this in a PM but I don't have 50 posts yet. What cream does your wife use?

**APIs** · 02-04-2011, 10:45 AM

If crystallized I would suggest letting it sit at room temp for a full day before you start applying heat. Especially the cream. Pharmaceutical compounds are typically more tolerant of lower temps than extended high-heat temps as someone else mentioned. Excess heat breaks compounds down at an accelerated rate. I speak with bench chemists on a daily basis...

**streeter** · 02-04-2011, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Corpsman

I would ask this in a PM but I don't have 50 posts yet. What cream does your wife use?

Biest 2.5mg / Progest 5% / Pregnolone 5% / Testosterone 5% Cream 60gm

It is her initial script so she hasn't actually been on it yet but she is wanting it to get here like a kid on Christmas Morning

**warchild** · 02-04-2011, 11:18 AM

considering the way its packed for shipping i doubt it froze

**streeter** · 02-04-2011, 11:22 AM

It's been in the warehouse since Monday and it still hasn't been delivered the main roads are clear but all the neighbourhoods are packed snow on Ice still

**stack_it** · 02-04-2011, 11:42 AM

Atleast they didn't leave it on your porch. You would have had to chisel it out of three inches of ice if you got the same storm we did.

**streeter** · 02-04-2011, 11:51 AM

Maybe my porch is covered but we still got a lot of blown snow under the covered porch. Were not supposed to have this stuff in TX like this the whole city shut down all week

**warchild** · 02-04-2011, 03:52 PM

what temp does test crash, meaning how low can the temp get. mine says store between like 66-77

**streeter** · 02-04-2011, 11:42 PM

It still didn't get delivered yet now I have to wait for Monday it's 17 degrees here tonight. I'm starting to think That just might be too cold for it. It is not a heated warehouse I am sure of it we called.

This is what it says on the most recent line of the tracking number.

Adverse weather conditions. / The movement of the package will resume as soon as the weather conditions allow.

**Far from massive** · 02-05-2011, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by warchild

what temp does test crash, meaning how low can the temp get. mine says store between like 66-77

The temperature test crashes depends on a lot of things. Some apply only to home brewed some apply to pharma and homebrewed.
The type of ester attached to the test, the shorter esters don't hold as well in an equivelent solvent.
The type and amount of solvents used.
The methods used when brewing the Test. You will get better results if you heat the test to its melting point (either by itself or with one of the solvents like the vegtable oil) while blending, as opposed to just using the solvent and mild heat to dissolve the test.
The presence of any water. This can occur from moisture in the test powder itself, or from steam absorbed if a water bath is used to heat during blending.

As far as the crash points of Testosterone Cypionate at 200mg/ml, I have had stuff I brewed left in a car overnight in temps below freezing, I don't know how cold it got but I am sure it was pretty chilly.

FFM

**flatscat** · 02-05-2011, 08:30 AM

I have some test c made with ethyl oleate and while it is usually smooth at butter going in upon injection - it solidifies at about 60 degrees. I gotta heat it up almost everytime.

**streeter** · 02-09-2011, 11:44 PM

This will be my last post on this thread unless someone starts a good conversation. I just thought in case anyone was wondering what happened we finally got our Gear. I will never use UPS again if I can help it but that's another long story I don't feel like typing. Anyway it was all ok and my Wife is on day 2 of her Hormone cream. I will find the other thread on my wife later and update how she is doing on HRT. Thanks everyone.

**Corpsman** · 02-15-2011, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by streeter

Biest 2.5mg / Progest 5% / Pregnolone 5% / Testosterone 5% Cream 60gm

It is her initial script so she hasn't actually been on it yet but she is wanting it to get here like a kid on Christmas Morning

My wife wants me to start injecting her but I have no idea how much would be enough to benefit her without getting any masculine sides. She is 40. We were thinking a small dose might help her with some fat distribution and lean muscle toning.

**streeter** · 02-16-2011, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by Corpsman

My wife wants me to start injecting her but I have no idea how much would be enough to benefit her without getting any masculine sides. She is 40. We were thinking a small dose might help her with some fat distribution and lean muscle toning.

If your talking about injecting her with just test. talk with slimmerme. I believe she will tell you it will only help if her E-2 is at a healthy level even then I believe it should be no more than 5mg a week which is a very very little but get with her she is the expert at it.