Post PCT lab results, please critique; feel like crap

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06-02-2011, 08:51 AM
Philly Grappler

Post PCT lab results, please critique; feel like crap

I gave my body a break and followed the PCT Swifto gave me some time ago (thanks Swifto, it worked good)). I currently feel like crap but that was before I stopped taking the TRT. I though the TRT may have something to do with me feeling crappy (bad reaction to a chemicel or something) but that can't be the case. It has been a couple of months since I have been off the test, and here are the results of my last blood test:

Creatine Kinase Total: 506 H (nobody can figure out why it is high)
Total Test: 545 (250-1100)
Free test: 59.4 (35-155)
Estradol: 51 (13-54)
Albumin/Globulin ratio: 2.2 (1-2.1)
TSH 3rd generation: 1.39 (.40-4.50)
T4 free: 1.2 (.8 - 1.8)
T3 total: 79 (76-181)

I have been fatigued and extremely hungry with dizzy spells for the last 6 months or so. Forthe last 12 years I have been training martial arts nonstop and now it is hard at times to get out of bed. As stated, I went off of TRT thinking that maybe I was having a bad reaction, but I guess that isn't the case because I still feel crappy. Do any of these numbers jump out to anybody that there is a problem somewhere?
06-02-2011, 09:02 AM
GotNoBlueMilk

The E2 range seems to be a high value on the upper end. If my E2 gets to 51 I am going to feel like crap.
06-02-2011, 09:19 AM
Philly Grappler

I thought so too. Maybe I should start taking the Arimidex again and see what happens?
06-02-2011, 09:26 AM
GotNoBlueMilk

Yes, but don't overdo the amount. Try something like 0.25 mg EOD or even 3x/week and watch carefully on how you feel. If you start feeling better, then get worse, it is too much. If you feel no different then try upping the dose to 0.5 mg. If you go straight to worse or nothing changes, then that isn't your issue and just stop the Arimidex.
06-02-2011, 11:21 AM
steroid.com 1

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Originally Posted by GotNoBlueMilk

Yes, but don't overdo the amount. Try something like 0.25 mg EOD or even 3x/week and watch carefully on how you feel. If you start feeling better, then get worse, it is too much. If you feel no different then try upping the dose to 0.5 mg. If you go straight to worse or nothing changes, then that isn't your issue and just stop the Arimidex.

Yea, most likely E2. Do as GNBM suggests here and see if your sides get better. All your other values look ok to me.
06-02-2011, 12:30 PM
forrest_and_trees

E2 would be my first thought as well. If the adex doesn't work, I'd take a look at your t3 numbers next. Your TSH and T4 look OK, but the t3 is worth watching. The problem with thyroid issues, if that is indeed what it is, is the numbers only tell part of the story and often mislead. Symptoms are a huge part of it. But like I said, try the adex first, if that doesn't help, then explore thyroid symptoms.

Best of luck.
06-02-2011, 01:19 PM
bass

Definitely the E2! what is your test dose?
06-02-2011, 02:59 PM
steroid.com 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by forrest_and_trees

E2 would be my first thought as well. If the adex doesn't work, I'd take a look at your t3 numbers next. Your TSH and T4 look OK, but the t3 is worth watching. The problem with thyroid issues, if that is indeed what it is, is the numbers only tell part of the story and often mislead. Symptoms are a huge part of it. But like I said, try the adex first, if that doesn't help, then explore thyroid symptoms.

Best of luck.

Yea, I sort of thought the same thing; T3 and especially T4 are best at mid to higher range and his T3 is damn near clinically low. TSH is pretty decent but some would say anything >1 can present a problem; then couple that with very low T3 and maybe???.

But the E2 stands out the most.

If he gets E2 into the 20's and sides are the same Thyroid could be the culprit. But there are so many things that can present the same symptoms as noted.
06-03-2011, 03:40 AM
Philly Grappler

Quote:

Originally Posted by bass

Definitely the E2! what is your test dose?

I've actually been off the test for 6 months or so, so nothing right now.
06-03-2011, 08:55 AM
bass

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philly Grappler

I've actually been off the test for 6 months or so, so nothing right now.

well, that explains everything! you probably shut down by now!
06-03-2011, 09:36 AM
MastaMan

Wut...

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Originally Posted by bass

well, that explains everything! you probably shut down by now!

Why would being fully recovered from PCT shut anything down... his HPTA is probably fully recovered by now
06-03-2011, 09:40 AM
jtuner77

T3 seems low and in hypothyroidism you get those sides but also your E2 is off. Did you do a blood test pre your cycle?
06-03-2011, 10:18 AM
SlimmerMe

Low t3 is what stands out to me. That is where you get your energy or lack there of, and metabolism or lack there of with a low t3.
06-03-2011, 11:51 AM
bass

Quote:

Originally Posted by MastaMan

Why would being fully recovered from PCT shut anything down... his HPTA is probably fully recovered by now

it depends how long he has been on TRT, there is a point of no return! i bet you his test is even lower now!
06-03-2011, 12:30 PM
Philly Grappler

The blood results I posted above are 2 weeks old, and my PCT for the test was a good 2 months ago, so my system eveidently kicked back in.
06-03-2011, 12:31 PM
zaggahamma

Quote:

Originally Posted by MastaMan

Why would being fully recovered from PCT shut anything down... his HPTA is probably fully recovered by now

he was saying cuz he was on trt for 6 months..not cuz he ran pct

???????
06-03-2011, 01:26 PM
bass

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpkman

he was saying cuz he was on trt for 6 months..not cuz he ran pct

???????

thanks for clarifying JPK! i asked my clinic if things don't go well after 6 months, can i do PCT and go back to where i was?! they said 6 months is too long and most likely not! so i am guessing here the PCT didn't help much!
06-03-2011, 02:34 PM
THE-DET-OAK

I agree, E2 and T3.

its possible to get better though, for such a long run you may need another round of SERMS
06-03-2011, 02:41 PM
MastaMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpkman

he was saying cuz he was on trt for 6 months..not cuz he ran pct

???????

Oh well that definitely could have some lasting effects
06-05-2011, 05:47 PM
DragonRider

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Originally Posted by bass;5658***

it depends how long he has been on TRT, there is a point of no return! i bet you his test is even lower now!

He said in the first post his test level is at 545ng/dl now. That is very good.
His e2 is definately a problem. I feel terrible at anything over 30pg/dl.
06-05-2011, 07:33 PM
Black

It seems like its difficult to diagnose thyroid problems, just because there is such a wide range of symptoms that could fall into many catergories. Bringing your E2 down could also free up even more test. Keep us posted on your progress.
06-06-2011, 09:00 AM
zaggahamma

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonRider

He said in the first post his test level is at 545ng/dl now. That is very good.
His e2 is definately a problem. I feel terrible at anything over 30pg/dl.

545 very good...eh...good i'll go but your right the t to e ratio was possibly more of a problem
06-06-2011, 09:59 AM
lifter65

agreed 545 is definately not very good
06-06-2011, 12:33 PM
DragonRider

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpkman

545 very good...eh...good i'll go but your right the t to e ratio was possibly more of a problem

Certainly. I know a guy in that range on TRT at 100mg a week, with no AI that benches 405, sqauts 600 and has no sexual dysfuntion. It's all about what YOUR individual body has the ability to use.
Granted his free test could be higher. But that could be low because of elevated estrogen or elevated SHBG. I don't see that number posted (SHBG).
06-08-2011, 06:32 PM
Philly Grappler

I started taking Arimidex at .25 eod and I seem to feel a little better. I made the mistake of going to a new endo yesterday just to get an opinion, and man was the dude arrogant. You could tell he didn't know anything about TRT and jumped down my throat when I mentioned I was on Arimidex. He actually asked me why any doctor would put me on that medication. He didn't want to hear anything about what I had to say regarding being on the low side of the chart, and actually was making faces and sighing at me. What a freakn jerk. It never ceases to amaze me how these docs who are supposed to be hormonal pros are so clueless when it comes to TRT. I don't know whether to keep pursuing an endo to foloow my T3 levels or not, but I can tell you I'm not going back to that @$$hole.
06-08-2011, 07:45 PM
zaggahamma

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philly Grappler

I started taking Arimidex at .25 eod and I seem to feel a little better. I made the mistake of going to a new endo yesterday just to get an opinion, and man was the dude arrogant. You could tell he didn't know anything about TRT and jumped down my throat when I mentioned I was on Arimidex. He actually asked me why any doctor would put me on that medication. He didn't want to hear anything about what I had to say regarding being on the low side of the chart, and actually was making faces and sighing at me. What a freakn jerk. It never ceases to amaze me how these docs who are supposed to be hormonal pros are so clueless when it comes to TRT. I don't know whether to keep pursuing an endo to foloow my T3 levels or not, but I can tell you I'm not going back to that @$$hole.

hopefully hes a member of the bbb you can report just how he behaved and you will have the last word with that...thats all u can do