ClomiPhene vs Testosterone Cyp

[scott1527]

Hey everyone,

I am a 30 year old male that has been diagnosed with Adult Onset Patuitart Disfunction. I have low testosterone and HGH. I have been prescribed OmniTrop for the HGH and it seems to be working pretty good. My question is how to treat the testosterone . I have tried both Testosterone Cyp. and Clomiphene along with HCG . The ClomiPHENE raised my testosterone levels to over 800. The Testosterone Cyp keeps it around 900 to 1000. I do notice a little more lean muscle mass with the Testosterone Cyp...but I also notice water retention and testicular shut down (even though i am on HCG) along with that. The ClomiPHENE has not presented any side effects.

My question is, which is better for muscle building and overal hormonal health, the Clomiphene which is making my body produce its own Testosterone OR the Testosterone Cyp? Is a testosterone level of 850 suficiant for my body building needs?

Any input is much appreciated!

[sirupate]

I guess it depends on what you mean by "bodybuilding needs". The guys who are cycling probably have much higher test. levels while on cycle than 850. That level, on the other hand, would be a good maintenance level depending on the free test. level. Are you going to a doctor for these scrips., or a clinic? I'd surely love to have a doctor willing to prescribe some or all of what you are on. I also wasn't aware that clomi was meant to be taken continually, but that may be OK. Guys around here usually only do clomi during their PCT after a cycle. Can you clarify?

[scott1527]

Hey buddy...yes I go to a docor who specializes in HRT. I take 50g of clomiphene along with HCG three times per week. I also take OmniTrope (HGH) six day per week. He pretty much leaves it up to me on which treatment plan I want to be on...Test or Clomiphene....

My goal is not to become a "bodybuilder" persay. I do however want to build more muscle and stay in good shape. The problem I find when taking the Testosterone Cyp is that I tend to retain about 5 to 10 lbs of water. That weight gain is pretty much gained within 1 week. Yes, I feel a little stronger and my muscles feel a little bit harder....BUT, I look and feel "puffy" from the water retention.

I could always do a "cycle' of test to pack on some muscle then go back to the clomiphene but I am not sure that thats the best thing to do.....?

[bass]

yea i retain water while on test c as well. what were your test levels before TRT?

[scott1527]

Very Low....it started dropping when I was 28...went from mid 600's to 178 bu the time I was 30.