Estrogen high, High, HIGH...

[lovbyts]

OK Ive been on TRT for 3+ years.
Wellness center for the first year
Endo the last 2.
Neither did a full estrogen test so I decided while on cycle I would have it done myself
Cycle, Test E 400 week, Tren A 300 week
Now for the results.

Testosterone Serum 736 Range 249-836
Testosterone Free 34.59 Range 5.00-21.00
% of Free 4.70 Range 1.5-4.2

Estradiol 295.1 Range 7.6-42.6
Estrogen Totals 3308 Range 40-115
Estriol <0.3 Not Established

OK what can I say except WOW and I dont know why I dont feel worse or why I dont have any ED, water weight or other problems although I'm not making gains like I should be obviously.

Yeah I have some liquidex ill start obviously but it's like 1 yr old. Ill order some Aromasin today.
I have Letro and Nolva, should I consider using any?

No I dont have any gyno to speak of either. No itchy nips and they my chest is less fatty if anything compared to a year ago.

[zaggahamma]

As you probably know you will get better advice from aas forum since you on cycle and with tren....not to many trt'ers take the tren leap....i know me and flats kid about it from time to time..

sorry to hear about the scary e numbers....

what were your goals from the tren and test boost?, 10-20lbs?

[lovbyts]

As you probably know you will get better advice from aas forum since you on cycle and with tren....not to many trt'ers take the tren leap....i know me and flats kid about it from time to time..

sorry to hear about the scary e numbers....

what were your goals from the tren and test boost?, 10-20lbs?

Yup right around there, 10-20. I have always maintained good steady weight at 180 on TRT but have a hard time going up even eating all day long but I'm thinking the E2 might have a little to do with it. Obviously I must be dont something right if I'm not going backwards at this point. Hmmm the gains could be interesting once I get it under control.

[forrest_and_trees]

Glad to hear you're not living with any of the harsh side effects. With levels that high, I'd hit the endo up for a script. Liquidex is no where near as effective as Arimidex/Anastrozole. Considering your numbers, why waste your time with a ball-peen when what you really need is a sledge hammer.

[lovbyts]

Glad to hear you're not living with any of the harsh side effects. With levels that high, I'd hit the endo up for a script. Liquidex is no where near as effective as Arimidex/Anastrozole. Considering your numbers, why waste your time with a ball-peen when what you really need is a sledge hammer.

liquedex and letro is what I have at home now. I will have the Aromasin in a week or so

[double chicken]

Glad to hear you're not living with any of the harsh side effects. With levels that high, I'd hit the endo up for a script. Liquidex is no where near as effective as Arimidex/Anastrozole. Considering your numbers, why waste your time with a ball-peen when what you really need is a sledge hammer.

Wont the Endo know that he is cycling if he goes in?

[steroid.com 1]

OK Ive been on TRT for 3+ years.
Wellness center for the first year
Endo the last 2.
Neither did a full estrogen test so I decided while on cycle I would have it done myself
Cycle, Test E 400 week, Tren A 300 week
Now for the results.

Testosterone Serum 736 Range 249-836
Testosterone Free 34.59 Range 5.00-21.00
% of Free 4.70 Range 1.5-4.2

Estradiol 295.1 Range 7.6-42.6
Estrogen Totals 3308 Range 40-115
Estriol <0.3 Not Established

OK what can I say except WOW and I dont know why I dont feel worse or why I dont have any ED, water weight or other problems although I'm not making gains like I should be obviously.

Yeah I have some liquidex ill start obviously but it's like 1 yr old. Ill order some Aromasin today.
I have Letro and Nolva, should I consider using any?

No I dont have any gyno to speak of either. No itchy nips and they my chest is less fatty if anything compared to a year ago.

I don't know anything about "cycling" but what I find amazing about your numbers are that at 400 mg Test per week and your T serum is only 736 reflecting that you are converting to E2 per your E2 of 295, E Total of a whopping 3308! But what's crazy is that your % Free is 4.7!!! You'd think that would be in the tank, which it probably is giving where it would be if not converting to E2.

Really interesting numbers...but get the E2 down under 30 if you can and don't guess, you need E2 Sensitivity assay NOT the standard E2 used for women.

[bass]

I don't know anything about "cycling" but what I find amazing about your numbers are that at 400 mg Test per week and your T serum is only 736 reflecting that you are converting to E2 per your E2 of 295, E Total of a whopping 3308! But what's crazy is that your % Free is 4.7!!! You'd think that would be in the tank, which it probably is giving where it would be if not converting to E2.

Really interesting numbers...but get the E2 down under 30 if you can and don't guess, you need E2 Sensitivity assay NOT the standard E2 used for women.

good point! my clinic said if i don't control my e2 it will work against the test!

lovbyts, it will take less than a week to crash your e2, so no biggie there, but WOW I've never seen e2 numbers that high! glad you didn't get the nasty sides!

[JD250]

This brings an interesting question to mind.......how many guys here have their blood tested when on a cycle or a "blast"? I've actually considered doing it while using Deca just so I would know EXACTLY what was happening even though I feel fine and will come off after a while.


Lovbyts, I would imagine that once those numbers are where they should be you should see a huge difference in gains. Your bodies propensity to convert T like that may be the reason for your hard gains in getting past 180.............or not, just thinking outloud.

Let us know how the aromasin works out. Or the liquidex for that matter

[Bigfoot66]

Is there a way to locate the generic of Arimidex? It is much much cheaper than you think. Your E2 is keeping your T down..possibly SHBG affecting numbers as well?

And no sides? Makes you wonder if results are valid.

[zaggahamma]

Is there a way to locate the generic of Arimidex? It is much much cheaper than you think. Your E2 is keeping your T down..possibly SHBG affecting numbers as well?

And no sides? Makes you wonder if results are valid.

i've heard ppl say that but i priced it at the pharmacy where i got my test and even the generic was unaffordable....only ordering over the internet makes it affordable from what i've seen

[Bullseye Forever]

imo when my estrogen levels where that high,liquid stane worked very fast,and no sides efx except increased libido and sexual desire,and it worked just fine for me,i wont ever use anything else in my opinion

[lovbyts]

I don't know anything about "cycling" but what I find amazing about your numbers are that at 400 mg Test per week and your T serum is only 736 reflecting that you are converting to E2 per your E2 of 295, E Total of a whopping 3308! But what's crazy is that your % Free is 4.7!!! You'd think that would be in the tank, which it probably is giving where it would be if not converting to E2.


Really interesting numbers...but get the E2 down under 30 if you can and don't guess, you need E2 Sensitivity assay NOT the standard E2 used for women.

I agree, the numbers are interesting and I probably have been crashed for a long time since I never really have felt GOOD like many people on TRT do or on cycle, I just always push though it on a daily basis, it's what I'm use to.

good point! my clinic said if i don't control my e2 it will work against the test!

lovbyts, it will take less than a week to crash your e2, so no biggie there, but WOW I've never seen e2 numbers that high! glad you didn't get the nasty sides!

Thanks for that and even after 4 days I'm felling a little different. DAMN glad I have not gotten any gyno or at least not any bad gyno, no itch, no lactating (thank god) no more extra fat than usual.

This brings an interesting question to mind.......how many guys here have their blood tested when on a cycle or a "blast"? I've actually considered doing it while using Deca just so I would know EXACTLY what was happening even though I feel fine and will come off after a while.


Lovbyts, I would imagine that once those numbers are where they should be you should see a huge difference in gains. Your bodies propensity to convert T like that may be the reason for your hard gains in getting past 180.............or not, just thinking outloud.

Let us know how the aromasin works out. Or the liquidex for that matter

That's what I was thinking I might see some real gains for once. That's means that most or all my gains have been from just hard work or even extra hard due to the E2 since it has probably been keeping me from having even normal gains. That was also why I had it tested now instead of waiting until I finished. I think it's just as important to know what is happening on cycle for gains than after cycle to get back to normal or like I may have been for a long time just wasting any extra T.