Cutting cycle or Clean bulk on TRT?

[jtuner77]

Soon to be on trt but I would like to cut as I have gained a good amount of weight(I was at 180 now at 200) since I started to feel foggy and exhausted about 3 months ago.

I was planning on doing Test/Winny then HGH/Test/Winny before I found out I was in the low range for Test.

Now I would just like to cut up as much as possible on trt. I was thinking of just running Test E & Winny while on TRT.

What do you guys think?

[GotNoBlueMilk]

Cutting while on TRT is good for keeping muscle, but be prepared for the fact that cutting is also harder if you watch the scale! Dieting often results in a quick loss of muscle mass. This may not be obvious looking in the mirror, but it happens. It is easier ot lose muscle than fat. Not losing muscle is a good thing, but it is also easy to get discouraged if you watch the scale because it will seem like you are having a harder time cutting.

Another issue is that if your E2 levels go up you will experience water retention and that will make the scale reading go up. However, I also read a nice study on low E2 levels. Turns out the body knows it needs to get the E2 up so it devises ways to do that. For males, the easiest way is to generate fat so the fat cells can convert T to E2. And if you have low T, it is quite possible you have low E2 now. My baseline E2 was an incredibly low 4.

[jtuner77]

^^^What does this have to do with my question? I get your point but it was not on topic as to what to take to cut while on TRT.

[GotNoBlueMilk]

^^^What does this have to do with my question? I get your point but it was not on topic as to what to take to cut while on TRT.

Sorry, I took this question "What do you guys think?" to apply to the whole post, not just your previous sentance prior to the question.

[zaggahamma]

if your running a compound like winstrol i would post this in the cycle forum but they will want to see your diet/stats/goals not that we dont on this forum but winstrol is a rare trt compound not unheard of but rare....it always had a mystique of being a cutting steroid and i believe it does keep you dry and actually so dry i hear it makes your joints hurt and also harsh on the liver...if u could get deca i prefer it and there are several guys on this forum running low doses of deca and test currently

diet and exercise are your main ingredients...to directly answer your question i'd say cut since you mention gaining weight recently and found you were low t....i would do it slowly like only 500 calories below maintenance to preserve muscle and it will be easier to follow..thats 20lbs in 20 weeks if we want to count lbs where as i'm sure you'd be just as happy if you lost fat weight and make/replace with some muscle at the same time..CAN BE DONE...done it..
will leave it there for now

[jtuner77]

^^^JPK the reason I chose winny is I get gyno sides very quickly so I am doing all to avoid that. Hence the Winny. I haven't done enoughr research on Deca to say yes or no. I am cutting 5-600 cals a day presently but I was afraid if I do TRT and then up the dosage of TRT to cycle level, for instance

TRT dosage 100mg twice a week(Test E)
Test E dosage 150mg twice a week(Test E) for 10 weeks
Winny 50mg ED from week 6 to thru week 10

But under these dosages should I still be cutting out 500-600 cals or should I be at maintainence cals?

[biggymrat]

Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you are just starting TRT. Are you self prescribing? Or is the doctor/clinic giving you the test?

If you do have a prescription from a doctor, I think it would be wise to not include winny or deca until you see how you react to the treatment. You can still continue a cutting diet and once you've had a few months under your belt and are on a good protocol, then start your cycle.

Just my .02

[jtuner77]

TRt will be starting in 2-3 weeks. this was a planned thing to start after a few months on TRT.

[zaggahamma]

^^^JPK the reason I chose winny is I get gyno sides very quickly so I am doing all to avoid that. Hence the Winny. I haven't done enoughr research on Deca to say yes or no. I am cutting 5-600 cals a day presently but I was afraid if I do TRT and then up the dosage of TRT to cycle level, for instance

TRT dosage 100mg twice a week(Test E)
Test E dosage 150mg twice a week(Test E) for 10 weeks
Winny 50mg ED from week 6 to thru week 10

But under these dosages should I still be cutting out 500-600 cals or should I be at maintainence cals?

if you want to lose weight either cut back a lil on the cals or do more cardio or a lil of both regardless of the compounds