Shouldn't all men >35 be on TRT?

[saltybalz]

If the optimal test level is around 1000 and after 30 levels tend to be below that? Say someone is 800, can't they arguably be a candidate for TRT?

[bass]

no! 800 is a great number, mine was at 225 but if it were 400 i would have been happy and tried other things to boost up my levels! TRT is and must be the last option, there is no free ride, TRT is very expensive unless you have good insurance, also there could be some unwanted sides!

[steroid.com 1]

Good question. I just finished reading Your Blood Doesn't Lie and it works off the premise that all or most diseases correspond to age-related hormone imbalances that start somewhere over 30. So, if we believe that and can keep hormones at optimal levels through middle and older age, along with diet and fitness we could all make it to a 100 years old. But, bass makes an excellent point; it is expensive and it's a life long commitment as well.

Instead of 35 I'd go along with 50+.

[Fred40]

50+ sounds about right to me......on average.

But everyone is different and I'm sure there is my opposite out there who is 75 and has a T level of 750.......bastard.

[bass]

50+ sounds about right to me......on average.

But everyone is different and I'm sure there is my opposite out there who is 75 and has a T level of 750.......bastard.

hey watch it, you just called my dad a bastard!

[zaggahamma]

age wouldnt be the relevant factor/number...the symptoms and bloodwork would be however

[Fred40]

age wouldnt be the relevant factor/number...the symptoms and bloodwork would be however

True but it appears that "most" men over 50 are on the lower end of "normal" T levels......or worse. Maybe they should simply start checking peoples levels as part of a routine checkup.......especially those getting older and certainly those complaining of fatigue, loss of libido, muscle mass....etc....

[zaggahamma]

True but it appears that "most" men over 50 are on the lower end of "normal" T levels......or worse. Maybe they should simply start checking peoples levels as part of a routine checkup.......especially those getting older and certainly those complaining of fatigue, loss of libido, muscle mass....etc....

if your gonna insist on an age its way before 50, imo

[APIs]

if your gonna insist on an age its way before 50, imo

I think it's a combination of age, physical attributes & the obvious warning signs. I mean, majority of people I've seen who find out they're suffering from Low-T are overweight with a gut and really don't do much other than eat & watch TV. There are those of course who don’t appear like this but have other contributing factors that lead to the diagnosis.

If you look around the gym you can literally point out the Newbies who likely suffer from this problem and don't even know it. They come day after day, seem to work-out pretty hard, but see little to no gains in the time they are there. Of course, they then disappear after becoming discouraged at the lack of improvement. Pretty sad if you think about it...

[zaggahamma]

I think it's a combination of age, physical attributes & the obvious warning signs. I mean, majority of people I've seen who find out they're suffering from Low-T are overweight with a gut and really don't do much other than eat & watch TV. There are those of course who don’t appear like this but have other contributing factors that lead to the diagnosis.

If you look around the gym you can literally point out the Newbies who likely suffer from this problem and don't even know it. They come day after day, seem to work-out pretty hard, but see little to no gains in the time they are there. Of course, they then disappear after becoming discouraged at the lack of improvement. Pretty sad if you think about it...

agree...

i do see some that dont bust ass in the gym and are fat and stay the same...middle age....still think they could benefit from trt..

for me, i was 36, busting ass but plateaued and knew something was wrong.....

[devildog1967]

I had the classic symptoms of low test .. I.E no libido,no energy ,lack of sleep, depression , E.C.T.. Doc says my levels where ok for a 43y old (Free test 15). So would not put me on TRT and told normal range should be between 9-35 free test. So i TRT myself and all my symptoms have vanished , I told him what im doing and now he refused to do bloods as he said " i cant condone what im doing " But said if he was in my shoes he would self med himself if it relived all problems. All so im under a pyc for depression and he is astounded in the difference in me and started to wean me off the meds for depression, Never been happier since i self medicated , just worried about my bloods not being checked up on..But at least im enjoying life again, Doc should not just go on test levels they should look at the whole picture .. in my opinion .

[Fred40]

I can't imagine why he wouldn't at least check your blood??? Just for your own safety.

[zaggahamma]

fvckin quacks!

there are several businesses where u can get the test you need done without rx....

lmk if you need em

[bass]

I can't imagine why he wouldn't at least check your blood??? Just for your own safety.

Exactly! what a retrd!

[devildog1967]

That the uk for you

[Bonaparte]

If you look around the gym you can literally point out the Newbies who likely suffer from this problem and don't even know it. They come day after day, seem to work-out pretty hard, but see little to no gains in the time they are there. Of course, they then disappear after becoming discouraged at the lack of improvement. Pretty sad if you think about it...

That's more than likely because they have a shitty lifestyle and don't eat enough.

[brad1986]

^^^ exactly. partying too much, lack of sleep, and not a proper diet is really what it boils down to.

[funkymonk]

"Optimal" is a term that has a different meaning for every individual. 1000 (or any arbitrary number for a snapshot of serum test) is hardly "optimal" for everyone.