Body builders cycles/stacks Compared to TRT long term effects.

**innerg** · 11-22-2011, 01:15 AM

ok I have been wondering why these guys that do cycles and stacks don't mess them Selfs up or do they?
Do body builders return to normal levels after there stacks? If so how do they do it?
Is it bad for them?

**xelnaga** · 11-22-2011, 01:23 AM

They cruise on lower levels of steroids in between cycles.

**Fred40** · 11-22-2011, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by innerg

ok I have been wondering why these guys that do cycles and stacks don't mess them Selfs up or do they?
Do body builders return to normal levels after there stacks? If so how do they do it?
Is it bad for them?

It's called PCT....gets your body's natural production back on track after a cycle (this is for guys who are not on TRT).

Originally Posted by xelnaga

They cruise on lower levels of steroids in between cycles.

That's what TRT guys do who run cycles.

**--->>405<<---** · 11-22-2011, 07:25 AM

just curious if ur blasting and cruising do u cruise on a higher dose than wat was originally prescribed for trt?? seems like itd not be good for u if so..

**flatscat** · 11-22-2011, 07:59 AM

no, you return to your normal protocol

**kelkel** · 11-22-2011, 03:40 PM

Fred is correct. A lot of the pro BB'ers of today are basically "on" year round. It's just the nature of the sport anymore. The amounts taken can be amazing at that level. And yes, many return to normal but there are those that have issues related to it. For some perspective, the last contest I was in was in 1989 (jeez). What I did back then was 200mg T, 200mg Deca and 6 Anavar a day (I think they were 2.5 mg) and I thought it was a lot. That is nothing by todays standards and this is considered a "mini blast" for us TRT'ers!

**bass** · 11-22-2011, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Fred is correct. A lot of the pro BB'ers of today are basically "on" year round. It's just the nature of the sport anymore. The amounts taken can be amazing at that level. And yes, many return to normal but there are those that have issues related to it. For some perspective, the last contest I was in was in 1989 (jeez). What I did back then was 200mg T, 200mg Deca and 6 Anavar a day (I think they were 2.5 mg) and I thought it was a lot. That is nothing by todays standards and this is considered a "mini blast" for us TRT'ers!

it looks like it worked! to be honest i tried blasting and didn't see much in gains, deca gave me some shoulder pain relief and it worked better on small doses like 100mgs per week, and anavar works great with strength and speed up tendinitis recovery. i think to make serious gains you have to take ridiculous amounts, but for old guys like us will probably kill us!

**flatscat** · 11-22-2011, 04:26 PM

Bass - you have made tremendous progress - wtf are you talking about?

**bass** · 11-22-2011, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by flatscat

Bass - you have made tremendous progress - wtf are you talking about?

i'll be honest Flats, i don't think its the deca or var, mostly its my diet and hard work at the gym! if i credit anything to my progress it would be testosterone ! not saying that deca or var didn't help, but at the doses i was taking they only helped with pain and strength not so much gains! var is making me look more lean but no gains!

**flatscat** · 11-22-2011, 05:10 PM

I will agree with you brother, but you said you didn't see much in gains.... guess it depends on what you mean by serious.... I'd say you seriously transformed your body.

**fit2bOld** · 11-22-2011, 06:18 PM

Although I'm a new member I was a guest for quite some time and and have to agree, Bass those are some awesome looking guns.

**bass** · 11-23-2011, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

Although I'm a new member I was a guest for quite some time and and have to agree, Bass those are some awesome looking guns.

thanks Fit, they kind of look funny on a white bearded old guy!

**ConArmas** · 11-23-2011, 01:43 AM

No way Bass. It totally intimidate the young-uns!

As for 'blasting', does someone on TRT need to incorporate any of the PCT principles after a blast, or simply stay with the T/AI/HCG style protocol?

**bass** · 11-23-2011, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by ConArmas

No way Bass. It totally intimidate the young-uns!

As for 'blasting', does someone on TRT need to incorporate any of the PCT principles after a blast, or simply stay with the T/AI/HCG style protocol?

no just go back to you TRT protocol.

**zaggahamma** · 11-23-2011, 11:15 AM

i'll never understand why that question keeps coming up

**Brohim** · 11-23-2011, 11:40 AM

There is a difference between steriod dose and HRT. A steriod dose will affect your HPTA more than a HRT dose. Or 500mg deca will be worse than 100mg test per week.

**fit2bOld** · 11-23-2011, 11:43 AM

So if a TRTer is blasting should they increase the AI dose as well?

**OutLaw8.5** · 11-23-2011, 12:09 PM

I would say yes to the ai increase,

Better question, do they increase hcg ?

**bass** · 11-23-2011, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by OutLaw8.5

I would say yes to the ai increase,

Better question, do they increase hcg?

yes on the AI, no on the hCG !

**Brohim** · 11-23-2011, 12:19 PM

unless you want boobies increase AI. HCG can be bumped to 1000 iu per week

**bass** · 11-23-2011, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Brohim

unless you want boobies increase AI. HCG can be bumped to 1000 iu per week

i should have been more specific, you are correct but no more than 1000 per week.

**OutLaw8.5** · 11-23-2011, 01:00 PM

Doc has me on 200iu day right now (just starting) to get me started. SHe wanting to ween me off test and start over... CAME to her as sixth doctor, and doctors didn't really address the why, so she wants to

You guys think I should trim my hcg back?
Taking 40mg test every 4 days and .5mg adex day after shot

**bass** · 11-23-2011, 02:09 PM

IMHO based on your protocol i would keep the hCG dose or increase it to 250 iu and do it eod. but if your doc is trying to start over to fix things i suggest to follow her advise.

**OutLaw8.5** · 11-23-2011, 02:24 PM

Cool... She seems more on top of it than anyone I've seen... And while the 200ed seemed a touch much to me, my thoughts the same as yours

So what the deal with more than 1k a week? Just too much for the body?

**bass** · 11-23-2011, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by OutLaw8.5

Cool... She seems more on top of it than anyone I've seen... And while the 200ed seemed a touch much to me, my thoughts the same as yours

So what the deal with more than 1k a week? Just too much for the body?

here is a good read to help you understand better, in fact i need to re-read it myself!

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-HCG-Protocols

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-hCG&highlight=

**kelkel** · 11-23-2011, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

i'll never understand why that question keeps coming up

Hysterical jpk...

**ConArmas** · 11-23-2011, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

i'll never understand why that question keeps coming up

it's because I have shitty short-term memory, due to Low T and Low vitamin D!

**fit2bOld** · 11-25-2011, 02:22 PM

[QUOTE=OutLaw8.5;5814987]Doc has me on 200iu day right now (just starting) to get me started. SHe wanting to ween me off test and start over... CAME to her as sixth doctor, and doctors didn't really address the why, so she wants to

When I left the clinic and took my business to a DR first thing he did was try to get me going again with just HCG . so after 8 weeks and some blood work the LH and FSH didn't budge so he put me back on the clinic protocol. Test HCG & AI we did blood work every 3mos after that and got it dialed in, now after a year he only wants to see me every 6 months.

**kelkel** · 11-25-2011, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by ConArmas

it's because I have shitty short-term memory, due to Low T and Low vitamin D!

That's even funnier!

**zaggahamma** · 11-26-2011, 05:43 AM

post comedy therapy

**OutLaw8.5** · 11-26-2011, 02:41 PM

^^^now that's funny!^^^

**flatscat** · 11-26-2011, 06:31 PM

Nice one

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