Ignoramt doctors

[doc w]

Met with a sales rep in my business today. He is turning sixty, has felt fatigued the last six months, lacks libido and can't lose any abdominal fat. He asked his doctor if he should get his testosterone checked. Doctor said that was just normal for his age and that he did not need it checked. These are the tools that are caring for our family members

[doc w]

Damn my fat fingers on this tiny @phone

[yannick35]

Please don't get me started on theses A$$clowns......... GRRRRRRR i am 100% with you on this either they give too much, too little or just plain ignore everything and tell you its the normal part of aging....................

[stoic1]

Dude, tell me about it. I'm 41' was feeling like crap all the time so I had blood work done. My test was an 80! I asked about TRT, he said some people feel just fine with low T and don't need it. I told him I feel like shite and gimme, gimme, gimme! So he loads me up with 200 mg or 1cc test cyp shot in the bum and says "see you in a month". I asked about AI he said he doesn't do that. WTF.....

[yannick35]

Dude, tell me about it. I'm 41' was feeling like crap all the time so I had blood work done. My test was an 80! I asked about TRT, he said some people feel just fine with low T and don't need it. I told him I feel like shite and gimme, gimme, gimme! So he loads me up with 200 mg or 1cc test cyp shot in the bum and says "see you in a month". I asked about AI he said he doesn't do that. WTF.....

once a month right there he knows nothing. Pathetic. You need an AI at least have it on hand if sides show up.

[steroid.com 1]

Please understand that the Physicians who are on the cutting edge of Testosterone Therapy who know their shit are far and few between.

Most general PCP, Enods and Euros are not trained in this area of medicine.

The problem is these untrained Docs just jump in prescribing meds without any understanding what they are doing...flying by the seat of their asses if you will. Hell, just look at the half-life issues!

The Doc's don't get hurt.

It's the guy who gets hurt.

The one thing that pisses me off most of all things is that licensed Physicians who do not understand correct protocols fuvking up mens health because their ego gets in the way.

How many men do we see here with elevated E2 or their testicles shrinking and hurting to the point of disaster???

The best course of action is to learn as much as you can and manage your own health.

The educated man is a smart man!

And don't be afraid to say "NO" to your Doctor.

[yannick35]

The one thing that pisses me off most of all things is that licensed Physicians who do not understand correct protocols fuvking up mens health because their ego gets in the way.

Voilà i confronted my medical doctor with an AI, diuretic pills, 30 pound weight gain from water and estrogen conversion, feeling terrible. And is starting dosage of 200mg per week.

He told me he has been at the fine edge of technology with testosterone and been prescribing it for over 15 years. Yet he knows nothing about an AI made me gain a lot of weight, blood pressure and water retention.

He was the one that told on TRT i would eat a bit more but not to worry because all would be stored has muscles and not fat, in fact i would build 15-20 pounds of muscles in 6 months and lose all my fat.

I got to tell him exactly what i tought is is practice, not only for TRT but since i been at is clinic, he been treating me like a lab rat, he used botox on me and PRP and more. Pfff pathetic fool

[adenoma]

once a month right there he knows nothing. Pathetic.

When I was in my early 30s and had a total testosterone level around 300 with almost undetectable free testosterone, a urologist gave me 75 mg of testosterone cypionate every six weeks. When a recheck of my levels showed that his "treatment" had actually lowered my testosterone level due to LH suppression, he said, "See? I told you it wouldn't work." I wasted a lot of time and money on doctors who had absolutely no interest in helping me.

[yannick35]

When I was in my early 30s and had a total testosterone level around 300 with almost undetectable free testosterone, a urologist gave me 75 mg of testosterone cypionate every six weeks. When a recheck of my levels showed that his "treatment" had actually lowered my testosterone level due to LH suppression, he said, "See? I told you it wouldn't work." I wasted a lot of time and money on doctors who had absolutely no interest in helping me.

Some medical doctors are excellent then they open there private clinic, get all cutting edge technology, realize that there is no money in curing people and start finding ways around making people feel better.

My medical doctor told me when i saw him that he was going to make me part of a study, but in the process he would fix me. So he did like 4 bull$hit prolotherapy treatments on me space at a month each. Right there is doom to fail because when you got so much laxity you need closer treatments with higher dosage and more. That did not work so he injected me botox in the chest and upper traps, saying that this would numb the muscles and my pain would go away that did nothing at all a part from giving me a red puffy face. Then it was PRP , testing, and testosterone therapy at 200mg per week.

He told me that the clinic was going private and that in 6 monhts it would cost 250$ per hour to see him, i looked at him and started laughing, that is a very high price you are charging to screw peoples livres. The botox was covered by my insurance but was like 1600$, PRP not covered 600$.

I rated him bad on ratemymeds, website

[lovbyts]

Please understand that the Physicians who are on the cutting edge of Testosterone Therapy who know their shit are far and few between.

Most general PCP, Enods and Euros are not trained in this area of medicine.

The problem is these untrained Docs just jump in prescribing meds without any understanding what they are doing...flying by the seat of their asses if you will. Hell, just look at the half-life issues!

The Doc's don't get hurt.

It's the guy who gets hurt.

The one thing that pisses me off most of all things is that licensed Physicians who do not understand correct protocols fuvking up mens health because their ego gets in the way.

How many men do we see here with elevated E2 or their testicles shrinking and hurting to the point of disaster???

The best course of action is to learn as much as you can and manage your own health.

The educated man is a smart man!

And don't be afraid to say "NO" to your Doctor.

With that being said then what kind of doctor do you look for?

[yannick35]

With that being said then what kind of doctor do you look for?

I am going to see a new medical doctor in September, right now i have too much things going on with the prolo, steroid cycles to heal the body and more.

This sport doctor will be able to precrib blood testing, an AI and more. But i really feel that TRT is very personal from person to person. And you need to play around with dosage to see what you really need.

[bullshark99]

I like the way gd puts it, I dont think there are many members here that havent had to deal with a Dr that didnt know the most basic of basic when it comes to TRT. Injecting someone every 3-4 weeks REALLY???? My favorite is when one Dr told me we are just gonna be supplementing my own production, adding to what I already produce. Apparently he wasnt familiar with the whole "shutdown" process. Learn everything possible, find a Doc that will go along with you, monitor you and if he wont, move on.

[steroid.com 1]

With that being said then what kind of doctor do you look for?

The one that understood correct protocols lovbyts.

I studied all this for more then a year before I sought the right Physician. I understood correct Testosterone dosage and injection methods, I understood what happens with aromatization, I learned about HPTA suppression, I also learned how these were medically managed...before I looked for a Doc.

I searched for a physician who was an active A4M member.

I searched for a physician who was active with LEF.

I interviewed 4 Physicians before I settled on my Doc.

A very thorough vetting process for sure but it worked as I have one of the best in the vertical and who I can now say is a friend as well.

[kelkel]

When I was in my early 30s and had a total testosterone level around 300 with almost undetectable free testosterone, a urologist gave me 75 mg of testosterone cypionate every six weeks. When a recheck of my levels showed that his "treatment" had actually lowered my testosterone level due to LH suppression, he said, "See? I told you it wouldn't work." I wasted a lot of time and money on doctors who had absolutely no interest in helping me.

Nice name! I guess we know what brought you here! Welcome!

[JD250]

The one that understood correct protocols lovbyts.

I studied all this for more then a year before I sought the right Physician. I understood correct Testosterone dosage and injection methods, I understood what happens with aromatization, I learned about HPTA suppression, I also learned how these were medically managed...before I looked for a Doc.

I searched for a physician who was an active A4M member.

I searched for a physician who was active with LEF.

I interviewed 4 Physicians before I settled on my Doc.

A very thorough vetting process for sure but it worked as I have one of the best in the vertical and who I can now say is a friend as well.

GD...... Very good post, I see a need for another sticky...."How to interview a Doctor for TRT" Seriously, we should put together a backroom think tank and come up with a usable, repeatable format for a thorough interview, most have no clue what to ask, some of us have a good idea but forget many details.....it would be a great resource and attacking one of the biggest TRT issues right at the core. Just a thought.

[bullshark99]

Damn good thought JD, would be very helpful. Maybe these Doctors would actually make an attempt to learn after being "undressed" multiple times by the public.

[spywizard]

Met with a sales rep in my business today. He is turning sixty, has felt fatigued the last six months, lacks libido and can't lose any abdominal fat. He asked his doctor if he should get his testosterone checked. Doctor said that was just normal for his age and that he did not need it checked. These are the tools that are caring for our family members

that's why they call it practicing medicine.

[HRTstudent]

Doc W, are you a physician?

[doc w]

Yes I am an Orthopaedic surgeon. I started TRT 8 months ago after feeling like crap for the last couple of yrs. I was working out hard and could not get in shape like I could several yrs ago and my fasting blood sugars were elevated. My story otherwise is not much unlike many others on this board. I went to my local family doc after having a test level of 261. I was on the cusp of turning forty at this time. He gave me a script for 100mg every 2 weeks after conving him I could give myself the injections. The script was for 1 ml vials. I was like what the f@ck. u are going to make me go to the pharmacy every two weeks pay a 20 dollar copay and give me subclinical levels. Since that point I started reading up on TRT and found another physician to manage my therapy. My bloods work now looks great I feel great and I am considering starting my own TRT practice. I do manage a couple friends as a favor

[doc w]

In would like to see physicians either trained in this specific area/ medications or refrain from prescribing them.

[doc w]

I would never do surgery on a patient if I did not feel confident I'm that particular surgery

[lovbyts]

GD...... Very good post, I see a need for another sticky...."How to interview a Doctor for TRT" Seriously, we should put together a backroom think tank and come up with a usable, repeatable format for a thorough interview, most have no clue what to ask, some of us have a good idea but forget many details.....it would be a great resource and attacking one of the biggest TRT issues right at the core. Just a thought.

Agreed. Although I have learned a lot thanks to this forum the last few years there is still a lot to learn but it would be nice to find a doctor who actually knew more about HRT than I do.

I like your interview process GD, any more suggestions? Not over the top ones but basic things to ask/look for when interviewing. Do you think it's best to seak out specialist? Endo? PC?

[HRTstudent]

In would like to see physicians either trained in this specific area/ medications or refrain from prescribing them.

My first doctor (IM) has been a bust.

I cannot tell you how much I agree with what you said right there.

I was started on a therapy in which the doctor knew very little about, and after closing in on 6 months I am being referred to an endo. I only hope the endo actually knows more about TRT and is not just a diabetes junky.

[HRTstudent]

doc w,

I thought that physicians could prescribe their own drugs, such as testosterone . So I would wonder why you would bother with a lousy internist if you could DIY.

Can you tell me how it actually works?

[MickeyKnox]

after bloods revealed a very low 6.9 (6-27) AND after a lengthy discussion, my physician prescribed me 200mg test cyp every 2wks. when i asked about sides he said, "don't be offended, but stay off the internet..you don't need anything like that" and the nurse then offered, "yeah, the scary net ha ha". i wanted to smash the nurses head into the desk and then knock out my physician. but, cooler heads prevailed and i accepted the ignorant comments for the sole purpose of receiving what i knew i desperately needed. after 8 wks we wait for 3wks then do bloods. at that point i will search out and endo and move on.

[doc w]

doc w,

I thought that physicians could prescribe their own drugs, such as testosterone . So I would wonder why you would bother with a lousy internist if you could DIY.

Can you tell me how it actually works?

I've never looked into the legality of that, but being that test is a controlled substance I did not want to risk it, I also wanted a medical paper trail with labs to document that I had low t and the medical reason for taking it. I currently do the next best thing by having another physician in our group prescribe it. Probably overkill but I don't ever want to risk my liscense.

[doc w]

What I would like to do next is find a reasonable medical reason for adding in some occasional deca . I believe some of the new research on tendons makes that justifiable.

[kelkel]

Do it. You'll like it.

[buttsecksnporkchops]

What I would like to do next is find a reasonable medical reason for adding in some occasional deca. I believe some of the new research on tendons makes that justifiable.

Lol with a little detective work, It is easy to find out who you are, where you practice. You should not flaunt your 'professional' status being a 'surgeon' on a TRT board, implying you wanted to 'create a paper trail' and 'Find a reasonable medical reason for adding deca ' Any man in your professional is professional enough to NOT reveal such details. Behavior like above, can and usually comes back to haunt. And if you really want to start RXing TRT, I can point you in the right direction of a clinic who is seeking more DR's

[steroid.com 1]

Lol with a little detective work, It is easy to find out who you are, where you practice. You should not flaunt your 'professional' status being a 'surgeon' on a TRT board, implying you wanted to 'create a paper trail' and 'Find a reasonable medical reason for adding deca' Any man in your professional is professional enough to NOT reveal such details. Behavior like above, can and usually comes back to haunt. And if you really want to start RXing TRT, I can point you in the right direction of a clinic who is seeking more DR's

Interesting statement...

[doc w]

U are wise beyond your stated age of 22. Point taken my only interest at this point is to maximize my health within the legal boundaries that are allowed.

[MickeyKnox]

Doc,

not too belittle buttsecksnporkchops statement, but i'm confident that the vast majority of us don't care who you are or where you practice. im sure he didn't mean to attemtp to scare you away. personally, i appreciate your input as a professional doctor and look forward to your insight that can undoubtedly be helpful in these forums. perhaps your AAS experience is relatively new, but i'm sure your knowledge of the human body and associated professional experiences will be a benefit.

please keep us posted with your experiences and any other associated information you would like to share.

cheers

[kelkel]

^^^^^Times 2!

[Brickhouse]

U are wise beyond your stated age of 22. Point taken my only interest at this point is to maximize my health within the legal boundaries that are allowed.

Interesting here. I am sorry to say doc that surely a Man in your profession such as Ortho's would not reply with an abbreviation of the word 'You' by using 'U'......Is that not something people do on texts or when they are 18 replying to a thread? I used to work with Surgeons in the 90's as an ODP.

Anyway, interesting to see how you get on. I am new to TRT and have asked heaps of questions on here with very helpful replies. Some top people on here that will help you with health benefits from TRT. So far my benefits have been slight abdo reduction, more energy and confidence.

[doc w]

Interesting here. I am sorry to say doc that surely a Man in your profession such as Ortho's would not reply with an abbreviation of the word 'You' by using 'U'......Is that not something people do on texts or when they are 18 replying to a thread? I used to work with Surgeons in the 90's as an ODP.

Anyway, interesting to see how you get on. I am new to TRT and have asked heaps of questions on here with very helpful replies. Some top people on here that will help you with health benefits from TRT. So far my benefits have been slight abdo reduction, more energy and confidence.

Ha! Sign of the times. I have the app on my phone. So I have developed several bad texting habits. Lol. Omg

[JD250]

I applaud you Doc W, You're honest, add great info and insight to this board and you have done or said nothing that is questionable.

Enough of that, I'm prescribed Deca and in small doses it does wonders for my shoulder , knees and believe it or not it helps greatly with relieving the arthritis in my back from severe back injuries and surguries......I mean REALLY helps with that......not sure why but it does and I typically feel that way for several months and I'm not so sure I would'nt be justified in claiming that I retain some level of "healing" permenantly.....I can't back that up with any sort of emperical evidence so I guess you'll have to take my word for it at this point.

I know many here will be interested in what you do and discover with Deca, keep us in the loop.

[Vettester]

U are wise beyond your stated age of 22. Point taken my only interest at this point is to maximize my health within the legal boundaries that are allowed.

doc, you handled that well ...

Agree, you are just looking to maximize your health opportunities just like the rest of us here. I doubt anyone will be playing "detective" on you.

[lovbyts]

Interesting here. I am sorry to say doc that surely a Man in your profession such as Ortho's would not reply with an abbreviation of the word 'You' by using 'U'......Is that not something people do on texts or when they are 18 replying to a thread? I used to work with Surgeons in the 90's as an ODP.

Anyway, interesting to see how you get on. I am new to TRT and have asked heaps of questions on here with very helpful replies. Some top people on here that will help you with health benefits from TRT. So far my benefits have been slight abdo reduction, more energy and confidence.

Not true, we all learn new (some bad) habits from using our smart phones. I'm almost 50 and I use U all the time as well as other things because typically I dont txt with a bunch of other 50+ yr olds but with friends in their 30, 40s and daughter/friends in their teens so you pick up the same habit.

[Ace111]

I was told my problems couldn't possibly be hormone related because I look like an athlete (huge over exaggeration) all while the results there in front of me shows I'm low normal

[doc w]

This is a great forum with a community of people who wish to help others with the knowledge they have gained. TRT is on its infancy and as it becomes more mainstream better protocols will be developed