Low Test at 26??

[warren916]

Well im pretty much at loss of words, im 26 yo been lifting for 4+ years, and never had a testosterone blood work, until now.

My level is at 273 (348-1197). Well below normal.

I dont really get why im so low, doesnt make sense to me. Ive only done one cycle over a year ago, it was test 600mg/week for 13 weeks. Did legit pct, hcg throughout, clomid, nolva..

And honestly i feel great in the gym and still making great gains, but the main reason i got my test checked was my low libido, which this pretty much explains it...

So i was perscribed Axiron, never heard of it til now, its topical and goes under your arm pit. Im supposed to use 60mg/day and have 2 months supply.

Anyone have any experience with this stuff?? Im curious to hear, does it work?

Or should i just run my own program of hrt? Also if i do run my own hrt, what dose is best? Ive got quite a bit of test laying around.

Also, im about to start another cycle, so im pretty sure its safe to say that i shouldnt worry about PCT??

[Vettester]

What did the other panels say, such as LH & FSH? Is the doctor concerned with exploring this deeper, or is he/she just quick to write the script and call it that?

I think more research needs to be done before you dive in, along with more labs; possibly an MRI if that hasn't been addressed.

[warren916]

Its weird i guess the doctors sold on my current labs, no mention was made of any further testing...

[Vettester]

Some doctors just like the easy way out. Unfortunately, the easy way out is a lifetime for you! I would research this further to see if the low test is due to failure at the testicles or in the pituitary gland. The LH & FSH will help with this. My guess is that your HPTA is mildly suppressed, probably something went wrong during the PCT, but dunno. If the LH & FSH are low, my suggestion is to ask for an MRI. If that checks out OK, I would personally try a new PCT and see if you can't kick your natty back in. It just might require a different protocol, and there's plenty of good advice in the PCT section for this.

Regardless, do your best to find out why it's low first before just jumping on something. If there's a bigger problem lurching, you don't want to overlook it, right? Let us know. Thanks!

[warren916]

Yeah i can definitely see where your coming from but at this point in life im sick of the roller coaster libido and hormone levels and just want stability.

If that requires a twice/month shot of test every month for the rest of my life then so be it as long as im stable.

Its really effecting my marriage and i cant seem to get "intimate" with my wife like i want to...

[Vettester]

Understood, I can feel for you on this. Just do yourself a HUGE favor and do it right the first time. The extra panels, knowing if your primary or secondary, etc., will allow you to move forward with full confidence no matter what choice you make. Plus, you might want to explore having HCG in the protocol ... However, if you're condition is primary, then HCG won't be doing anything to help you produce endogenous test. It's these sorts of things you want to know what you're up against. And any condition at your age should be supported with an exam to reassure that you don't have any tumors, cysts, or other conditons that will be a factor. Long shots, but rule them out. We have a regular member here that has a pituitary adenoma, so it does exist.

[warren916]

Ok, i just started my cycle, about a week in...so after i complete my cycle and do my pct ill wait about a month and will get rechecked.

[zaggahamma]

good luck warren

please keep THIS thread updated including after next pct

maybe this cycle will count as therapy for you and the misses

[kelkel]

What vette said. And if you end up on trt shots will be weekly at a minimum. A lot of us now split that amount and inject every 3.5 days for more stability.

Why you picking on me vette! HA

[warren916]

I will do the best to keep this updated. Im really looking forward to the test kicking in!

[Vettester]

Why you picking on me vette! HA

Because I want my arms to get as vascular as yours!!

[kelkel]

The older I get, the veinier I get. Weird.

[HRTstudent]

Is the doctor up to date on male hormones?

You need to be very up front about this. plenty of docs will prescribe testosterone, but know only what the drug reps tell them.

You need to take it upon yourself to find a doc who specifically knows and treats a lot of males on HRT.

[Vettester]

I will do the best to keep this updated. Im really looking forward to the test kicking in!

Yes, please keep us posted with the updates, and how you feel with the test "kicking in."

The older I get, the veinier I get. Weird.

You're so vein, you probably think this thread is about you ...

[kelkel]

Funny. Knock it off Carly....

[warren916]

Is the doctor up to date on male hormones?

You need to be very up front about this. plenty of docs will prescribe testosterone, but know only what the drug reps tell them.

You need to take it upon yourself to find a doc who specifically knows and treats a lot of males on HRT.

The doc really didnt seem to know a whole lot, its an older women, she actually left the room and i heard her talking to another male physician, then she came back with the Axiron.

Also, i currently have no insurance and really cant afford to see a real endo, or afford any more blood tests right now.

As for feelings go, ive frontload Anadrol til my test kicks in, and i can feel a difference just from the Oxymetholone, i feel more aggressive in bed and seem to be thinking of "it" more...

[warren916]

So i talked to the doc and she said that the medicine im on can have huge effects on test, that and my history of drug abuse....im guessing she thinks she knows the problem and believes no other tests are necessary, i dunno..

Im prescribed Suboxone for an addiction problem i used to have to opiates. I used use opiates a lot, which also lower test.

Suboxone is a drug that acts like an opiate but really is classified as one. But from much studies and research, it can lower test a lot. Im afraid to say at this point with all my opiate abuse history and my current suboxone treatment, my test may never be "normal" again.

[zaggahamma]

So i talked to the doc and she said that the medicine im on can have huge effects on test, that and my history of drug abuse..

Im prescribed Suboxone for an addiction problem i used to have to opiates. I used use opiates a lot, which also lower test.

Suboxone is a drug that acts like an opiate but really is classified as one. But from much studies and research, it can lower test a lot. Im afraid to say at this point with all my opiate abuse history and my current suboxone treatment, my test may never be "normal" again.

i was under the impression you were already at terms with this since you are starting trt

[warren916]

Of course im at terms with this...why wouldnt i be?? I simply stated a fact, which is because of my heavy opiate abuse, my test is prolly ****ed for life...

[bullshark99]

Opiate use DOES lower Testosterone levels. My pain specialist are as clueless in regards to this as Dr"s are regarding TRT. what I do not know is if discontinuing opiate's will restore T levels????? Does anyone know for sure???

[zaggahamma]

Sounded that way at first sorry if I
misunderstood