Recommendations for TRT

[edmundo22]

It's week 6 on Testogel 50mg/5g, it worked quite well for 3 weeks, felt the effect fade out past 2 weeks and I'm right back where I started.

The Endo said this was pretty much what would happen as my testes would shut down my natural-T.
Given this I would have thought HCG would be the solution, get my natural T back to where it was and continue using the gel.
I'm new to all of this so just looking for recommendations and how to go forward from here.

Thanks again for your input guy's.

[kelkel]

HCG would be a plus to keep your testies somewhat functioning. Upping your dose on the gel would obviously help or see if your doc will allow you to self-inject cyp. I started on gels and had pretty good results but I'd never go back after starting injections. Posting up current BW would be a plus to Ed. Make sure you read all the stickies at the top of this forum. A wealth of knowledge up there.

[edmundo22]

After 5 months the endo still has not provided full blood results just total-T, I'm leaving messages every second day, have been demanding a refund but still no reply .
Reckon shots are the way forward, thinking of explaining the situation to my Gp he might / might not be help, it's unlikely.

[edmundo22]

Kelkel without any BW what dosage do you think would suit?, I got a recommendation of 100 mg per week.

[bullshark99]

Ed,

you have given very litle info, nobody here can really help you without knowing more about your situation, BW, age stats ect. If you only have Total T for blood, I would suggest you start the process of finding someone who is knowledgeable and do this the right way. There is no generic, one size fits all, your messing around with your body's horemones. Do yourself a favor and do this right! This is a lifetime commitment, you do realize this??? Again, without knowing more, cant give you any direction.

[edmundo22]

Bullsharrk your 100% correct, I'm aware this is for life, I'm 29 don't bench press, I was given a diagnosis based on symptoms, prescribed a trial of testogel to see if it would work and it did for a while but now I'm back at square one.

[bullshark99]

Gotta ya, didnt mean to come off as confrontaional but without proper BW (as you know) anyone giving you advice is just playing Dr. What I would do if I was you considering you are only 29 is to get a full panel (FULL) BW done and see what is going on. Age 29 makes TRT an awful LONG commitment! Now if thats the case, things could always be much worse (cancer for example). I would just be cautious jumping in because (as you know) you dont jump out. I'm 44 and have been pinning for 16 months and am already at the point where it is becoming a pain in the ass (literly). More directly to your question, I am a fan of injections as they work much better (most all here will tell you that) a good starting dose would be 100mg and titrate from there, but again BW is first and foremost.
Good luck!

[edmundo22]

Nah your fine shark your posts are nothing but helpful, cant get hold of BW even though I paid 150 for a service that was not carried out and am now being completely ignored.

[edmundo22]

Have an appointment with my Gp for tomorrow he should be able to demand the BW from the edno. Thing is I'm sure I'll fall within this normal range with total test 21.2 nmol and wont get treatment, after 14 years of being a shell of the person I used to be those couple of weeks the gel worked I was back to my old self again, libido came back after being extinct for 12 years which was fading out 3 years previous to this, my personality, my love for music and talents that I used to have all came back.

So is it possible that after an injury to my left nut in childhood and then at age 15-16 I simply wasn't producing as much testosterone as I should have been?, that my level of 21.2 should be much higher for me or am I just clutching at straws??

I spent the first half of my life being a happy alpha-male type and then out of the blue in the space of a single year turned into an unhappy dud

[bullshark99]

Ed,

Just went thru your other thread, really not a good idea to run duel threads on the same subject matter as it tends to piss off some of the more knowledgeable and senior members which may not respond. (all good here, just an FYI) your response to the Dr was fine but you are just pissing in the wind. I was once fired by a Dr its kind of degrading but in reality, he did you a favor. Dont know where you are located or your financial situation, but if you want a immediate resolution, find an anti aging clinic. Google your area, or Florida for example. They will charge you but atleast you will get BW done and they are in to make money so they wont dick around when it comes time to prescribe meds. This will give you plenty of time to find a Dr in your area if you prefer to go this route.

[edmundo22]

I know I tried to delete the other threads before making this one, just in need of advice, that previous Doctor I'm certain was just handing out prescriptions for cash and was part of the only two anti ageing clinics here in Ireland, I'll try the other one, don't think there's a hope of my Gp helping me out on this.

[kelkel]

Like bull said, get BW done somewhere. What you need is in the stickies. It would be nice to know if your primary (testical injury related) or secondary. Post it up. Otherwise we're kinda guessing here. Read through all the stickies. Write down questions for your appointment so you don't forget things. Know the expected answer ahead of time and if not what you think it should be, ask why. Your in charge of your health. Be assertive, within reason.

[edmundo22]

Thanks again for you input Kelkel. Iv finally decided to make an appointment with a clinic they can sort out everything from BW to treatment, my diagnosis was given on symptoms so no official diagnosis of primary / secondary hypogondalism and I'm just speculating that a direct injury as a kid could have resulted in not producing adequate amounts of testosterone mid puberty which looking back would explain a lot.

[Vettester]

Agree with the BW, but chances are your HPTA will be suppressed from being on TRT, so it won't be easy at this stage to tell if you're primary or secondary. Your doctor should have been looking into that in the beginning, but that's typical these days. I suspect the testicle injury may have you at primary. I guess a guy could try HCG mono-therapy for awhile to see if the LH analogue has an effect on endogenous production or not, but you're going to need a better doctor to work with than the joker that's jerking you around at this time.

[edmundo22]

Nice one Vetteman, semi understand what your saying and I will pass this info to the clinic, is it really possible an injury from childhood can result in hypogondalism later in life even if I fall within the normal range?

Would have thought its a long shot, I remember when it happened a doctor had to call out I was in that much pain and my left nut always hurt from then on after.

[edmundo22]

How do I up the dosage with testogel, just apply twice everyday or two sachets at once?