Need recommendation for Iodine dose.

[bass]

just ordered J.CROW'S Lugol's Solution of Iodine 5% and like to know how many drops should i take to start with, i will be applying it to the skin. based on my last BW my thyroid was working overtime, TSH at 3.450 range 0.450-4.500. thanks.

[jamotech]

just ordered J.CROW'S Lugol's Solution of Iodine 5% and like to know how many drops should i take to start with, i will be applying it to the skin. based on my last BW my thyroid was working overtime, TSH at 3.450 range 0.450-4.500. thanks.

Not sure never used it, I can say I tried Kelp (natural source of iodine) and it didnt change my tsh at all. 3 times in the past 6 months ive tested consistently at about 3.5.

[bass]

i was contemplating between Kelp and Iodine. i read amazing results from real users of Iodine, so we'll see. I'll update this thread and post blood work to see if its making a difference. but need to start with a dose...

[steroid.com 1]

For 5% solution then 2.5 drops equals 6.5mg.

Better if you injest Bass rather then subdermal.

Good read here my friend: http://iodine.imva.info/index.php/iodine-dosages/

You also need to add in Selenium each day as well...go with 200mcg.

Why we should supplement with Selenium for a healthy Thyroid and excellent anti-cancer benefits: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19942156

In combo with the Selenium and Iodine will do well for your Thyroid B!

I was slightly elevated at TSH = 2.8 and added in Kelp and Selenium and 6 months later TSH = 1.8, Doc and I were happy!

[bass]

good stuff GD. thanks bro!

[Brohim]

B Ive been doing 1 drop of the 10% solution on my thigh. I did notice today that it caused the area to dry out and itch. I might have to split areas and use inner arm as well. The link that G posted said it could take up to 3 month's to restore level's if you are Iodine deficient. I have only been taking it about 3 weeks.

G how much kelp are you taking and what brand? I have Nature's way I think each pill is 660mg. Ive been taking 1-2 pills with my Lugol solution. I do notice a little more energy during the day however my temperture remains about a degree low. Usually around 97.

[Hackamaniac]

One of my doctors wants me to give iodoral a try.......

Other one wanted me to start armor thyroid.....But think i'll try the iodine first....

My tsh was 4.4

Good luck Bass!!

[HRTstudent]

wow tsh of 3.5 and 4.4 is very high!

Here's some good info from Dr Mariano...

My current rule of thumb as a target for thyroid hormone:

1. Raise Total T4 to between 8-12 ug/dL (most important)
2. Free T3 between 330 to 420 pg/dL (multiple factors determine free T3, not just thyroid dosing).
3. TSH < 1.0

Using Total T4 for Levothyroxine dosing is like using Total Testosterone to determine testosterone dosing. Just as one doesn't use LH to determine testosterone dosing, one doesn't necessarily need to use TSH to determine thyroid hormone dosing.

Using TSH is complicated in that one assumes a well-functioning thyroid transporter (which depends on adequate ATP production - and thus a well-functioning citric acid cycle) to transport thyroid hormone across the blood brain barrier so that it can reach the neurons in the hypothalamus and to transport thyroid hormone through the cell membrane so it can reach its nuclear receptors. It also assumes the neurons of the hypothalamus and pituitary are working well - and are not subject to aging and other metabolic problems - which is not true if one has other major illnesses such as diabetes and heart disease.

Adequate nutrition is necessary to optimize metabolism so that thyroid hormone can work. For example, without adequate iron and vitamin A and other vitamins and minerals, thyroid hormone has difficulty functioning. Without adequate cellular iron, for example, thyroid hormone may not even pass through the cell membrane to reach its receptors. Nutrition has to be optimized to optimize thyroid function.

Interestingly, if the rest of the system is optimized (e.g. psychological, psychiatric, neurologic, neuroendocrine, psychoimmunologic, metabolic, nutritional) , generally, the usual dose for Levothyroxine ends up being 100 to 200 mcg a day.

Problems in optimizing thyroid occur when there are problems in the rest of the system. For example, excessive immune system activity predisposes a person to increase sympathetic nervous system activity, palpitations, suppressed adrenal function on treatment with thyroid hormone.

[bass]

thanks for the responses guys. if all these studies and doctors are suggesting that anything above 1 is not good then why is the range 0.450 - 4.500, why not 0.450 - 1.00?

[jamotech]

I was slightly elevated at TSH = 2.8 and added in Kelp and Selenium and 6 months later TSH = 1.8, Doc and I were happy!

Id be happy too, although there is no way of knowing if it was the selenium and kelp... 1.0 is a small change. Had you been tested consistently at 2.8, changed or added nothing at all except for adding kelp and selenium then id say that may be the reason for improvement. My multi has 200mcg of selenium and 150mcg of iodine, a lot of multis do im sure you know. When I added more there was no difference. Probably all has to do with the reason why someone's tsh is elevated in the first place, seems to be a lot or reasons and variances. Mine obviously doesn't respond to adding them... but they're still necessary for overall good health.

[jamotech]

thanks for the responses guys. if all these studies and doctors are suggesting that anything above 1 is not good then why is the range 0.450 - 4.500, why not 0.450 - 1.00?

ranges are based on a bell curve, I think the normal test range is dictated by what the vast majority test's at... so you could say that its as normal to test at .8 as it is to test at 4.150?

[HRTstudent]

thanks for the responses guys. if all these studies and doctors are suggesting that anything above 1 is not good then why is the range 0.450 - 4.500, why not 0.450 - 1.00?

dr mariano was not saying that it was bad to have just over 1, but what his goal was. also, he is not like most docs... most docs don't take a second look at anything until it is out of range. most people on this forum are looking for optimal health and not merely obvious disease free.

[steroid.com 1]

Id be happy too, although there is no way of knowing if it was the selenium and kelp... 1.0 is a small change. Had you been tested consistently at 2.8, changed or added nothing at all except for adding kelp and selenium then id say that may be the reason for improvement. My multi has 200mcg of selenium and 150mcg of iodine, a lot of multis do im sure you know. When I added more there was no difference. Probably all has to do with the reason why someone's tsh is elevated in the first place, seems to be a lot or reasons and variances. Mine obviously doesn't respond to adding them... but they're still necessary for overall good health.

My TSH has been consistently been in the high 2's but we never worried about it because my T4, T3 and RT3 were all in the upper ranges so there was no need to be concerned. I just added both the Kelp and Selenium in to see if it could have an effect and on next BW my TSH level dropped to 1.8.

Cause and effect? I don't know...but I didn't do anything different other then adding those to my supplement protocol.

The current reference range for TSH levels are out dated and will most likely be changed soon. You can do a Google search on it and read for yourself.

[sirupate]

I'm taking a daily kelp capsule, but have not had my thyroid ranges checked in quite some time. Didn't know selenium was advantageous or necessary.

[J DIESEL3]

My TSH is also at 2.7 so i will follow what gd has said with the selenium and kelp to see what happens.

gd do you think 3 or 4 months until i get checked again would be long enough?

[Vettester]

My TSH has been consistently been in the high 2's but we never worried about it because my T4, T3 and RT3 were all in the upper ranges so there was no need to be concerned. I just added both the Kelp and Selenium in to see if it could have an effect and on next BW my TSH level dropped to 1.8.

Cause and effect? I don't know...but I didn't do anything different other then adding those to my supplement protocol.

The current reference range for TSH levels are out dated and will most likely be changed soon. You can do a Google search on it and read for yourself.

GD, good info knowing that you were able to decrease your TSH with this protocol. Million dollar question: Did you notice any difference with how you felt? Any other changes detected (sleep, appetite, better immune ...)?

[Brohim]

GD what is your kelp dose?

[steroid.com 1]

My TSH is also at 2.7 so i will follow what gd has said with the selenium and kelp to see what happens.

gd do you think 3 or 4 months until i get checked again would be long enough?

I think that should be sufficient or maybe go 6 months...

[steroid.com 1]

GD, good info knowing that you were able to decrease your TSH with this protocol. Million dollar question: Did you notice any difference with how you felt? Any other changes detected (sleep, appetite, better immune ...)?

Not really vette; 2.8 is not even close to hypothyroidism so I didn't have any sides plus with good T4 and T3 levels there shouldn't be any. Nevertheless, I wanted to get down to 2 or lower and the combination of the Kelp and Selenium seems to have done the trick. It didn't surprise my Doctor to be honest as some seem to respond to these nutrients well.

Plus, Selenium is so damn good for all of us anyways...it's a very powerful antioxidant!

[steroid.com 1]

GD what is your kelp dose?

Iodine is like Testosterone to much is not a good thing so don't think taking mega doses of Iodine will help...it won't and can cause a lot of other Thyroid issues...so take the recommended dosage on the lable.

I like Nature's Way Kelp as it has 600mg of Kelp, 390mcg of Iron, 400mcg of Iodine and 20mg of Sodium all of which work synergistically for higher uptake.

Make sure your home table salt used for food is Iodized! Many table salts today are not iodized and because many think table salt is an evil (and it's not) many people are deficient in the amount of Iodine they need each day...thus under performing Thyroid!

[ecdysone]

While we are on this subject (nutritional supplements), many of the leading edge experts are suggesting selenium along with folic acid, resrevatrol, B12, magesium, choline, and alpha lipoic acid in addition to iodine.

What I have found as a good source for all of the above is LifeExtension's Two-Per-Day vitamin/mineral tablets.

[jamotech]

What I have found as a good source for all of the above is LifeExtension's Two-Per-Day vitamin/mineral tablets.

Currently my multi, very impressed with their products.

[jamotech]

Cause and effect? I don't know...but I didn't do anything different other then adding those to my supplement protocol.

Google has shown that there are a lot of things that can raise a tsh level, while having normal T3 and T4 levels, stress, diet, even the changes in the season. When I posted my first BW and TSH was 3.5, you said that showed hypothyroidism and was why I felt the way I did. So, since then, I've researched the subject. You said 2.8 is not even close to hypothyroidism, but 3.5 is?