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[Guerilla]

Hi guys , I'm a 35 yo male. Never used any AAS before . 6'3" 205 lbs. Roughy 10% bf.
I strength train 4 days per week on wendlers 5/3/1 protocol and train recreationally in mixed martial arts and Brazilian jiujitsu.

Starting test levels were 398 total and 40 free testosterone.

I have been struggling to recover from my workouts, not sleeping well, moody, and low sex drive. So I went to my urologist who is known to write scripts for TRT. He tested my levels and they came back as above.

He said although Im in the normal range he wanted to give me 3 shots and see how my body reacted. The shots are to be received 2 weeks apart. I got my first shot 4 days ago. He gave me 400 mg of depot test IM.

A pretty high dose it seems. So far, my mood is more stable, I. Sleeping better... And my girlfriend is amazed at my new desire for her. I wake up with morning wood for the first time in many years.

The only thing I have noticed is my right testicle is a little sore and sensitive.

I'm not worried about muscle gains (they wouldn't hurt), but I'm doing this for quality of life

After reading a little, Ive thought about having some nolvadex on hand.. And also, although I dont want kids now but someday I might. So should I start taking HCG, or should I worry about this later?

My insurance covers the treatment. All I pay is a $20 copay per office visit.

Any advice, tips, or opinions are appreciated.

[kelkel]

Hi Guerilla. It would be nice to see complete BW with ranges to help further. Anyway, I don't understand your doc's logic on giving three shots at two weeks apart. First, he doesn't understand the half-life of test and second, what next? Of course your test levels should rise unless you pull BW at the end of two weeks prior to the next injection. Then it may show at a lower level then your norm (refer to half life.) Regardless, you will be shutting down your HPTA, which can cause even more issues if you choose not to be on TRT, which is for life in most cases.

Did your doc talk to you about HCG mono-therapy? Or other ways to try and raise your free test? There was a very recent thread where a young guy was very successful with HCG and Nolvadex therapy in bringing his natural production up to very good levels. Testical soreness may be a result of your system changing from endogenous production to exogenous test. Meaning your shutting down.

Nolvadex is a SERM (selective estrogen receptor modulator) which re-directs estrogen away from the breast area. Nolva in and of itself can raise circulating test levels. It will not lower circulating estrogen levels. AI's are normally used if needed while on TRT, but this is to be based on BW results, as everything here should. Remember to post up BW if you can with ranges. Include shbg and albumin if you have it.

I don't think you'll find many here who will agree with what your doc is doing. 400mg is a large dose and may possibly cause spikes in E2 levels and resultant issues from that. I imagine after a week or so you will start to feel "less that good" due to the test dropping off (5-7 day half life) and feel the roller coaster effect spoken of until your next injection.

HCG is recommended in most opinions here. It will help keep your system functioning among other things as it mimics LH production. Read GDevines sticky thread at the top of the forum so I won't bore you here with details. Actually, take the time if you haven't already and read all of them. Tons of knowledge there.

Good luck, welcome and keep us posted on this thread please.

[Guerilla]

Kelkel, thanks for the reply. I'm not sure what BW stands for. I'm not as educated on the topic as I should be.

So in essence , as the test wears off (5-7'days) , since my body has probably stopped producing its own test, my levels may drop lower than the 398 I started with?

That's kind of unnerving. As far as albumins and estrogens, the only test results the doctor told me was the test levels. Otherwise I take physicals yearly for work and I've always had perfect blood pressure. Cholesterol , etc.

Il read that sticky today that you indicated. I should have come here for advice first. I still tend to blindly listen to those with a PHd hanging on the wall, which is a mistake in some cases.

In most cases what would 400 mg of depot bring your levels up to?

Thanks

[Guerilla]

Also I'm not sure why he only wanted to give me 3 shots. He made it sound like it would be a booster . Kinda like to bump my levels up.. As if they would stay there.


I have a friend that goes once a month for a shot. And he's happy with it. He says he feels sides towards the end of the month so he goes back for a shot. He was doing every two weeks but he felt like it was too much. Said he was getting bloated

[Brohim]

HCG mono would be the best theraphy here as Kel said. In 6 weeks you will have a high test number injecting test but you will crash afterwards. Good luck

[kelkel]

BW=blood work. Get a copy's from your doc of your last couple blood tests. They are yours. You paid for them. If they won't provide them call the lab where blood was pulled and follow their protocols to obtain them. As to where 400 would bring you? I'd say very high, Supraphysiologic levels. 400 is more like a number people "cycle" with, not use for TRT. You need to examine every option before TRT. No one really wants to be here.

[AnabolicBoy1981]

200mg a week would be better, and 100mg 2x a wk would be better still. Also make sure you are taking dhea in the evening, or using a pregnenolone cream. TRT doesnt replace those but kinda shuts those down as well when the balls shut down.

[steroid.com 1]

I can't add to anything more than what kel said...he's dead on accurate as usual.

Let me say that 400mg every two weeks is WAY to much. I am willing to bet E2 is going to become a serious issue and HPTA suppression is showing sides.

You need to either educate your Doc OP of find one who understands TRY in men...soon!

[HRTstudent]

sounds a bit odd... you don't know all the details so we are really left to speculate what's going on.

I would ask your doc to outline his plan for you.

Read the book Testosterone For Life if you want a simple to understand primer on TRT. I recommend it thoroughly.

[AnabolicBoy1981]

I can't add to anything more than what kel said...he's dead on accurate as usual.

Let me say that 400mg every two weeks is WAY to much. I am willing to bet E2 is going to become a serious issue and HPTA suppression is showing sides.

You need to either educate your Doc OP of find one who understands TRY in men...soon!

its not even that e2 would be chronically high, but the fluctuations. it may actually be too low at the end part of the 2 weeks, and sky high the first week. Its just a stupid dosing schedule. it should really be twice a week dosing IMO, MAYBE once a week. Now thats with IM. with sub q which i myself may switch to later on, ill have to see what the fluctuations are within a weekly dose with a series of blood tests.

[PetrX]

Hi guys , I'm a 35 yo male. Never used any AAS before . 6'3" 205 lbs. Roughy 10% bf.
I strength train 4 days per week on wendlers 5/3/1 protocol and train recreationally in mixed martial arts and Brazilian jiujitsu.

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I have been struggling to recover from my workouts, not sleeping well, moody, and low sex drive. So I went to my urologist who is known to write scripts for TRT. He tested my levels and they came back as above.

He said although Im in the normal range he wanted to give me 3 shots and see how my body reacted. The shots are to be received 2 weeks apart. I got my first shot 4 days ago. He gave me 400 mg of depot test IM.


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two problems here.. Brazilian jiujitsu?? yea no , you should try Judo, wrestling, Muay Thai, or kickboxing instead lol
Second problem, 400 etw??seems like quite a punch.. I would try getting the DR to split up the doses at 200 mg per week, 2 injections of 100mg a week or 1 injection of 200mg a week.

[brazilian86]

two problems here.. Brazilian jiujitsu?? yea no , you should try Judo, wrestling, Muay Thai, or kickboxing instead lol
Second problem, 400 etw??seems like quite a punch.. I would try getting the DR to split up the doses at 200 mg per week, 2 injections of 100mg a week or 1 injection of 200mg a week.

Wtf are you talking about?
You can be a black belt in all of these other martial arts and then some and I will put you to sleep guaranteed in less than 5 mins!
Hahaha joke

[Guerilla]

The thing about jiujitsu is that I train Judo and wrestling..thats part of jiujitsu. I also teach muay Thai and western boxing. I have fought muay Thai guys and boxers and it ends one of 2 ways . Them with a broken arm. Or them sleeping on the mat.

Didn't you see UFC 1?!

Anyway, maybe a can get him to give me 400 mg once a week , and some nolvadex. Then id be set.

[Psychoeric210]

Just my .02: What everyone is saying is right about 400 being too high. I got testicle pain at the beginning of my trt. I have yet to run hcg. Trying to get it legit first. I am running Test E 300mg every 2 weeks. I would love to change to every week@150mg, but can't afford it. I'm 27 and my starting Test was 180. I feel the spike and drop every 2nd week. Stay on your docs butt about trying to make you the most comfortable. Talk to the doc about your concerns. Best of luck to ya.

[spywizard]

400mg week is not TRT..

thus the e2week protocol. test cyp. 2 weeks or 14 days between injects, it's what the insurance companies will pay for.. and especially since you are marginal..

hcg 500iu 1 or 2x week..

[zaggahamma]

welcome

good advice already given

every 2 weeks is ancient but as you can see what a difference...work with your doctor read up like suggested..you'l have more to approach/question your treatment with...although you feel good now theres more to trt than an eow injection sometimes ....and its best to know all that could happen

how/what made you discover this site if i may ask

[Guerilla]

Well it's been a scary thing for me as I've never used any kind of ASS or TRT or anything. But I started out of desperation.

But, I can tell you that only a week in, I feel like my old self. I sleep better, my morning aches and pains have gone away, I get morning wood for the first time in god knows how long. I have a strong desire for my girlfriend..

So this would seem to me that a lot of those issues were caused by low T. That in itself is making me think that maybe it is somethinging I need to feel whole.

I wouldn't like to be on it forever, but am enjoying the benefits if it. Do you think it would be possible to go off of it after one shot and do a good PCT and try to boost it naturally? Or is it too late

[zaggahamma]

Well it's been a scary thing for me as I've never used any kind of ASS or TRT or anything. But I started out of desperation.

But, I can tell you that only a week in, I feel like my old self. I sleep better, my morning aches and pains have gone away, I get morning wood for the first time in god knows how long. I have a strong desire for my girlfriend..

So this would seem to me that a lot of those issues were caused by low T. That in itself is making me think that maybe it is somethinging I need to feel whole.

I wouldn't like to be on it forever, but am enjoying the benefits if it. Do you think it would be possible to go off of it after one shot and do a good PCT and try to boost it naturally? Or is it too late

anything is possible bro

u posted one bloodtest...usually 2 or 3 is required by a doctor or set of doctors to put on trt but nothing seems to be the norm except for the lack of knowledge on the subject of trt..

and you were low NORMAL....

i was 36 when i started on trt but guessing i was low for several to many years...i believe that most men that approach 40 will show decline in testosterone

just my .02

[bullshark99]

Nothing further I can add other than I wouldnt take another injection if I were you until you have more of a plan laid out. 3 pins of 400mg etw will put you into total supression, then what??????????? You may feel like superman for the next 6 weeks, but again, whats next?

[steroid.com 1]

Well it's been a scary thing for me as I've never used any kind of ASS or TRT or anything. But I started out of desperation.

But, I can tell you that only a week in, I feel like my old self. I sleep better, my morning aches and pains have gone away, I get morning wood for the first time in god knows how long. I have a strong desire for my girlfriend..

So this would seem to me that a lot of those issues were caused by low T. That in itself is making me think that maybe it is somethinging I need to feel whole.

I wouldn't like to be on it forever, but am enjoying the benefits if it. Do you think it would be possible to go off of it after one shot and do a good PCT and try to boost it naturally? Or is it too late

This is to be expected when hypogonadal male first starts with exogenous Testosterone as it effects the brain in an amazing way. Mostly due to high dopamine production but it will subside and most of this will settle down in time.

You need a better protocol as noted here...