Back from endo, taken off treatment!!

[Complete novice]

Hello all, I was diagnosed with low testosterone last De***ber and was put on nebido 6 weeks ago! I have had loads of tests since and everything has come back normal apart from the low test, the endo was very confused and has told me that he doesn't want me to carry on with any treatment and wants to give me regular blood tests to check my test levels!!

He said the reason for this is because if I carry on taking the nebido I will not be able to have children!! And as my sperm production is perfect he finds it strange as it should be low like my test levels!! He said that if I'm producing the amount of sperm I do than my body is functioning properly!!

He kept on asking if I had taken steroids , as I'm having the same symptoms and test results as someone that has just come off steroids!! Ive never taken any steroids in my life!

Don't know what to think about this really, has anyone been in this position?!? And what should I do or suggest?!?

[bass]

your doc doesn't know how to treat you, and i suspect something was wrong with the test they gave you since nothing changed! its stupid of this doc to meter your health by your sperm count, low T condition has far more serious sides than low sperm count. find another doc.

[Times Roman]

what is the active life of nebido? isn't it LONGER than 6 weeks? if so, then your test results are corrupt, since he is seeing Nebido in your blood plasma, and not something you are naturally producing.

how old are you?

[Complete novice]

I haven't had another blood test since being on nebido!! He said that he doesn't want me to continue using the nebido if I plan on having children in the future and said it will make me infertile!! I'm 33 been on the nebido for 6 weeks today and have felt absolutely no difference what so ever in any form of my symptoms!! All he suggested was that they monitor my test levels and have another blood test b4 I see him again in 3 months time!!

It he whole appointment was a joke, was an hour late then when I got in there was 2 other ppl, after 5 minutes of me taking about personal things I asked if they were doctors I was told they are students sitting in!!

I told him I'd prefer them to leave as I wasn't informed, I may complain about this! The whole process has annoyed me and left me very confused!!

What should I do anyone?!? Get another appointment?!?

I'm uk based by the way

[JohnnyVegas]

He said that he doesn't want me to continue using the nebido if I plan on having children in the future and said it will make me infertile!!

So, he prescribed treatment without asking you about children? Now that you have begun treatment he wants you to stop because it might cause something that he should have asked about in the initial consultation? Sounds like you need a new doctor.

[bullshark99]

What was your tes level to begin with?? What do you mean "felt absolutely no difference whatsoever in any form of my symptoms" You suggesting it is not helping???

[ecdysone]

Sounds like you got the endodontist rather than the endocrinologist treatment!

Your guy is correct that Nebido will cause temporary sterility (that is why is was originally developed), but he seems to be confusing sperm counts with test levels. You can still have sexual function and sperm counts with test levels as low as 250 (8.0 in your units) although you will be suffering the effects of hypogonadism.

Can't believe the guy is that clueless...maybe some miscommunication between you and he?

[zaggahamma]

So, he prescribed treatment without asking you about children? Now that you have begun treatment he wants you to stop because it might cause something that he should have asked about in the initial consultation? Sounds like you need a new doctor.

this is what i was thinking

[JD250]

Quietly and quickly look for another doctor.

[Times Roman]

Quietly and quickly look for another doctor.

agreed.

if this is his concern (abouut kids), then he shouuld have never put you on trt in the first place

[keep fightin]

nothing new to bring to the table, I should be past this but I am still amazed at the crap our members endure at the hands of clueless docs. I am looking in the crystal ball novice and it is showing me Times Roman,JD250,jp,ecdysone,bullshark,JohnnyVegas and Bass in a choir yelling at you to run! don't walk to a new doc..

[Complete novice]

Thanks for the replys everyone you all have confirmed what I was thinking!! It has been a total farse, and now dr doom wants me to do nothing for another 3 months!! He wants to take me off it because he can't explain what is causing my low test I think and has suggested it may be cause I'm run down ect!! I strongly think he thought I am a steroid user and wants to leave me for 3 months to see if I get back to normal!! I told him many times that this is not the case and the guy I saw is the 3rd different person I have seen in as many months from the same hospital and he is ment to be an expert in the field!!

I have left angry, anxious, worried and much worse of then when I started!! I'm going to ring his secretary in the morn along with my gp and try and sort this mess out!!

My main syptoms are lack of errections and extreme tiredness and lethargy!! Although there are many more syptoms!! The nebido did nothing for me what so ever apart from give me spots and has made my balls painful and shrink!!



If nebido was originally made to make men sterile I want to steer well clear!! Maybe I should be prescribed test at low doses?!? Or will this also make me infertile?!? Should I have a pct?!? The doc said it will be out of my system in 6 weeks or less!!

I feel like I've got the choice of either having all the symptoms that I have for life or being infertile?!? Is this the case?!?

I think the doc has realised I want kids and shit himself now wants me to come off the treatment!!

The doctor also told me that having low test poses no health risk what so ever!! Debatable and may have to make some sort of complaint by the sounds of things!!

[HRTstudent]

Hello all, I was diagnosed with low testosterone last De***ber and was put on nebido 6 weeks ago! I have had loads of tests since and everything has come back normal apart from the low test, the endo was very confused and has told me that he doesn't want me to carry on with any treatment and wants to give me regular blood tests to check my test levels!!

He said the reason for this is because if I carry on taking the nebido I will not be able to have children!! And as my sperm production is perfect he finds it strange as it should be low like my test levels!! He said that if I'm producing the amount of sperm I do than my body is functioning properly!!

He kept on asking if I had taken steroids , as I'm having the same symptoms and test results as someone that has just come off steroids!! Ive never taken any steroids in my life!

Don't know what to think about this really, has anyone been in this position?!? And what should I do or suggest?!?

plain and simple, get a new doctor. this guy is not a specialist in male HRT and that's what you need right now. maybe if you have diabetes that's what this guy can help with, but not male TRT/hrt.

[JD250]

The doctor also told me that having low test poses no health risk what so ever!! Debatable and may have to make some sort of complaint by the sounds of things!!

Dear God!! Don't try and sort anything out with this guy, he's too ignorant! Be nice, try to get something to get you by while you search out another doc. Don't burn any bridges, unfortunately an ignorant doc may be your best hope for a while but get busy trying to find a good one.

[bullshark99]

C.novice, its sucks bro, but what everyone is chiming is right, start looking for a new Doc. Too lazy to scroll up right now but who ever said "I should be past this by now" regarding Dr's not having a clue is dead on balls accurate. They dont know what the hell they are doing in this area of medicine, find one that does!
Good luck Bro, keep us posted.

[Complete novice]

Spoke to my endos secretary today, and she said that all the consultants will have a meeting and give me a call, she also said the reason I have been taken off nebido is because my natural test has kick started again?!? I've had no blood test and no difference in symptoms!! If anything I've got worse after the nebido!! Cock shrunk along with my balls, I can't get errections and I'm moody and spotty now!! This whole process has made me worse than b4 I had the nebido!!

Maybe I needed the booster shot!! To make it better, it looks like I won't be having it again anyway due to the infertility reasons!! What are my other options?!?

Do I need a pct to come of the nebido?!?

What should I be asking the endo when he rings me?!?

Thanks for any advice!! My head is really up my arse now, couldn't sleep last night and haven't really eaten today!! I'm not in a good place rite now!!

[bass]

big sigh! what bases does she have that your natural test was kick started?!

[Complete novice]

None at all, that's what I said to her and she avoided the subject each time I brought it back up and spoke over me!! it's a total farse!! They are treating me like I've bin on steroids as that's what my results seem to show but I have never bin near them!!

So I think they think I'm lieing and treating me like a mug!! Either that or they have no answers!!

Pct? What should I ask him when he rings?? Anyone plz

[zaggahamma]

Wuts spotty?

[Complete novice]

The top of my back and getting them on my face aswell!! Why?!?

[zaggahamma]

Pimples? Oh....didn't know seriously

[JD250]

Talk to other docs, now!

[Complete novice]

Hello all

Just giving an update on my nightmare, I've been trying to ring my endo for two weeks with no answer, rang his secretary today and she has told me there is a letter in the post explaining everything!! Sent to me and my gp!! And I haven't got an appointment for another 6 months as they want my body to start naturally producing more test!!!

Very confusing as I would of thought if my body was going to produce more test, it would of done it a long time ago!! I don't think anything has changed or can test go up and down naturally?!?

I'm positive they think I've taken steroids by the way im being treated, which is far from the truth as I have never bin near any in my life!!

I will see what the letter says when it arrives and I'm going to see my gp tomorrow!!

I'm still suffering with all the symptoms, haven't worked in a month due to lethargy and I'm falling out with pretty much anyone! And still no errections, safe to say nebido has done absolutely nothing for me!!


Any suggestions

[zaggahamma]

it is IRRELEVANT whether or not you took steroids in your past...how would that change mode of treatment?

will a doctor not treat a patient that shot himself in the eye?

[spywizard]

so they had you toss off in a cup to get a sperm count?? cause i don't know of any other way to measure that..

Secratary had access to your medical records and was giving you an interpretation of the tests that were prerformed??

odd..

[Complete novice]

I really don't have a clue what is going on, think they are just treating me like shit coz they think I've lied to them about taking steroids !! I'm sure tho with all the tests I've had the will know I've never taken anything!!

The secretary was just telling me what she thought, I have rung her everyday for nearly two weeks!!

[>Good Luck<]

Dude. I'm not sure about you, but if it were me, I'd self medicate and see wher it leads me. Doctors have degrees which give them swollen nuts and they think they know everything. Often doctors make the wrong call or no call at all and it leads to patients death! In your case I doubt u will die unless u get super depressed and spin up a noose and kill urself! But- depression sucks ass, lethargy sucks ass and doctors seem to be wasting your time and ripping you off of the enjoyments of life. If u got 6 months till you can see a doctor again, try some test and see how u feel... My opinion, not medical advice.


Either way, good luck bro and keep ur head up. I hope u find some answers soon and keep us informed of your progress.

Cheers

[>Good Luck<]

Hey bro, don't give us the same bs u fed your doctor. On account of your very first post here on the site, u have taken gear that can shut u down. If your going to claim you have never used steroids , then maybe your not being honest with yourself.

[QUOTE="Complete novice"]Hello all,

I have been training for around 18 months 4 days a week and havent changed one bit, I do heavy compound exercises on a upper/lower spilt and have been on a no carb diet for the last month with no change in weight at all, I`m 6ft, 236lb and 31... my aim is to lose body fat of which i`m carrying far too much and it`s getting to the point where i`m going to have to either give up or go to the next level to reach my goals...

I am stong enough and have got to the point where i`m getting injured all the time thru lifting the weights i lift.

I`d like to know if theres anything i can take to help me cut up and lose the fat, i`ve tried epherdrine and winnie and both did nothing for me apart from make me feel like s@it, I have heard about 1rip200 which alot of ppl use before comps for cutting up, Would i benefit of this? and if not is there anything you can suggest to me for losing the fat as it`s really pi@@ing me off now, i just about live in the gym but havent changed one bit same weight and same measurements...

This is my first post, hope someone can help me.[/QUOTE

HEY, THAT'S YOU!!! YOU SAID THAT!!

(and I don't know how to make the interesting part bolded, or I would)

[Brohim]

the reason you feel like crap is Nebidio is administered with 4ml's the first day then another 4ml's on week 6. Since you skipped your loading shot your test level's never got a chance to reach it's max. So you basically got screwed. Can you find another doctor or get a lawyer. And if you use HCG you will still have functioned balls to produce sperm.

[Brohim]

I really don't have a clue what is going on, think they are just treating me like shit coz they think I've lied to them about taking steroids !! I'm sure tho with all the tests I've had the will know I've never taken anything!!

The secretary was just telling me what she thought, I have rung her everyday for nearly two weeks!!

Winny is a steriod . Did you take a cycle of winny? It will shut you down just like the other's and you would have to have done a PCT> to recover natural level's of test.

[Complete novice]

Na mate never taken anything!! Nothing at all!!!

[phoenix44]

Na mate never taken anything!! Nothing at all!!!

So are you lying now or in the other post that was quoted?

[>Good Luck<]

You probably told your doctor if your this bad at lying. Not that I really care, but how can u receive accurate advice without accurately describing your situation. Snap out of it bro! This is your health!

[Complete novice]

Which post?!? I've never taken anything, where have I stated otherwise?!? No need to lie, if I'd taken anything I'd say!! Simples

[>Good Luck<]

Which post?!? I've never taken anything, where have I stated otherwise?!? No need to lie, if I'd taken anything I'd say!! Simples

Read my previous quote. I quoted your first post.

[Complete novice]

Hi, sorry only just red that thread!! I had considered taking steroids but never filled through with it! Due to having a child and not wanting to have stuff in the house!!

I'm sure in another post I stated that I litterally only took one ephedrine tablet and one winny tablet! Both made me feel that bad I never took either again!! So yeah I have had a couple of tablets both over 5 years ago and I can't see a couple of tablets doing anything to me?!?

In 2009 my test was over 10 so I'm sure if that effected me it would of shown up back then!!

Again sorry for the confusion but I didn't think 2 tablets would count as having taken steroids!!

[kelkel]

Literally yes. Figuratively no.

[Complete novice]

Should I mention this to the endo?!? It was a long time ago and seriously was only a couple of tablets, neither agreed with me so I didn't bother again!!

I have told him about all the recreational drugs I took in my youth!! Again tho haven't been near anything for many years!! I hardly even drink!!

Doctors in half an hour anyway so I'll see what they have to say about it all!!

[phoenix44]

I wouldn't tell him anyway even if you did a long time ago.

But in the first post you said winny and ephedrine. Did nothing for you, that's what makes it hard to believe you only took a couple tabs

What I infer from that post is if you did only take a tab or two and expected results your retatded or you actually cycled it and it didn't help u that much.

[>Good Luck<]

I wouldn't tell him anyway even if you did a long time ago.

But in the first post you said winny and ephedrine. Did nothing for you, that's what makes it hard to believe you only took a couple tabs

What I infer from that post is if you did only take a tab or two and expected results your retatded or you actually cycled it and it didn't help u that much.

My thoughts exactally. Man up OP! Bottom
Line is you seem to have low t, u seem to be open to trt and gear, u seem to have trouble getting your doctor to help you... U seem to aim towards some t, so buy some gear and see what it does for u, If that's what your after.

Sure some (most) people are against steroids , but it sounds like you may need it, or maybe u subconsciously want them but are having a hard time making the decision... Either way you need to address your health, and you need to do it soon if you really are experiencing the grief you described.

Good luck, I honestly hope u find a solution to your feelings!