Sub q results after six weeks.....

[Hackamaniac]

I've been taking 60mg test cyp, twice a week.....Last shot was taking Monday, test was done on Wednesday.

I'm still tired all the time.....I am sleeping somewhat better..I couldn't lift all last week and yet this week, due to being dizzy.....I'm planning on dontating blood as soon as I get over dizziness....My feet have been getting numb and falling asleep, high estrogen symptom??

I have a prescription for 200mg of test a week, would you guys bump up my dose??.......Do you think an ai is needed if I stay at this dose??

Any opinions are appreciated.......

Numbers after 6 weeks of trt

Tesosterone 434 ng dl (300-1080)
Estradiol serum 45.10 pg/ml (7.6-42.6)
Testosterone % free 2.5 (1.6-2.9)
Shgb 16nmoi/l (11-80)
Testosterone free 110pg/ml (47-244)

Before numbers

Tesosterone 243 ng dl (300-1080)
Estradiol serum 27.25 pg/ml (7.6-42.6)
Testosterone % free 2.5 (1.6-2.9)
Shgb 14 nmoi/l (11-80)
Testosterone free 62 pg/ml (47-244)


Here was my intial thread, but it's fairly long...I wanted to get my testosterone levels good, before starting thyroid meds...I haven't talked to my doc since i've gotten results back, but it's in the works....

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread......&highlight=

[kelkel]

Can you post full current BW if you have it? May see an indicator as to why your dizzy. Lower your E a bit and your T will rise. Eventually add hcg and T will rise also (unless primary.) If you do add to your protocol do so with one thing at a time so you can actually see what effect it has on you via BW. Your T levels have almost doubled and it seems your on the right path. I think patience is in order Hack.

[steroid.com 1]

You have moved up in Total T but it's still at the lower end of the reference range.

% Free @ 2.5 is nice...ideal in fact.

E2, as kel noted, a bit on the elevated end and could be lowered providing more T.

I'd add in some hCG for all the reasons we know here...plus it's just good for you when on TRT.

I am with kel; don't rush things...

[Hackamaniac]

Sorry, this is all the bloodwork he would do for now.........He kind of lied to me, telling he would do the full panel.....I

So you guys think I need an AI?? Should I ask for one, or just try to lose some body fat, and maybe it will go down???

I have hcg, just wanted to see what I felt like before adding it and some of you thought I was primary....So dont' know how much it will do...

As far as being dizzy, Id call it more woozey, I'm not spinning....I just have a werid sensation in my head and get a lil stick for my stomach...I've had this problem way before trt
Just never figured out why...

I see my primary care tomorrow...She will probably refer me to another ENT and then he won't find anything either....Or that's how it usually goes...lol

Thanks guys, I'm going to try to be patient.....I will talk to my doctor over the phone in the next week or so.........

[kelkel]

It can't hurt to ask your doc for the AI. Just be prepared to back up your request with facts to show how it will help. If you obtain it start as low as possible.

[steroid.com 1]

IMO you need a complete and thorough BW done as per the sticky at the top of the forum.

Guessing on whether or not you need an AI is not good medicine.

Get you BW done my friend...very important.

[GFA]

Your numbers seem low for 120mg test a week. Have you done IM injections in the past and what were the results? I considered trying SC but Im having great results IM.

[Hackamaniac]

IMO you need a complete and thorough BW done as per the sticky at the top of the forum.

Guessing on whether or not you need an AI is not good medicine.

Get you BW done my friend...very important.

I told him I wanted complete bloodwork, he said I didns' need it yet......

Since I know my estradiol numbers, how would that be guessing G??

[Hackamaniac]

Your numbers seem low for 120mg test a week. Have you done IM injections in the past and what were the results? I considered trying SC but Im having great results IM.

Yes, seemed low to me.......I only did a few im injections in the past, and then had to stop.......So i've never had any testing done while doing im's.....

[GFA]

Yes, seemed low to me.......I only did a few im injections in the past, and then had to stop.......So i've never had any testing done while doing im's.....

I use 100mg a week IM, total test 1044 on last BW. Your results SC make me not want to try it.

Maybe try IM for a few weeks, get retested to see if your body responds better.

[GFA]

Wanted to add I started at 86 ng/dl range 350-1200.

[zaggahamma]

sorry you havent dialed in hack

i would want my T a lot higher and yes it looks as you convert a good amount to E even with the sub-q twice a week combo...i would think an AI would benefit (TRT wise....something telling me something else might be wrong...

[steroid.com 1]

Since I know my estradiol numbers, how would that be guessing G??

So sorry Hack, was rushing this morning...missed the E2 panel.

Agree with J, you are converting even with SQ injections multiple times per week...think where you might be at 120mg IM once a week.

An AI should help. Start low like .25mg 24 hours after each injection (.50mg/wk) that should go a long way to bring the E2 down some and lessen the conversion.

Get BW in 6 weeks and go from there.

BTW, I inject 60mg twice a week and use .25mg AI and my E2 is in the mid 20's!

[ecdysone]

Before you get too concerned about the E2, what lab is doing the work?

Funny, what concerns me is the lab is reporting E2 to 2 decimals - I can assure you, nobody has more than ±15% precision or so at these levels, so they completely wrong to do so.

Honestly, I would have little faith in their numbers.

[Hackamaniac]

Kel-thanks for your input! Wil talk to him about it. As far as being dizzy, saw primary care today....Had fluid in both my ears, hopefully some nasal spray will take care of it, if not ENT and then Mri..

GFA- Thanks for the input, but i'm gonna stay on sub q for now, it's so easy

JPK- Thanks also, seems like i'm converting quite a bit...Hopefully i'll get dialed in, but I have alot more problems going o

G- Thanks again, I will talkd to my doctor about it......I wish I just had a better doctor....He tries, but can still be a lil hard headed...

ECD- Thanks for chiming in.....I will call tomorrow and see what lab for you.......My doctors said he likes estradiol around 30 and this is the test he odered....I asked him about sensitive test and he acted like that doesn't exist.......

[socalfun64]

I told him I wanted complete bloodwork, he said I didns' need it yet......

Since I know my estradiol numbers, how would that be guessing G??

I've gotta jump in here, because I'm upset by my Dr's attitude. I asked him also for the list of tests in the sticky and he just told me I'd have to pay for it if I wanted the extra stuff. He said I needed other medical codes to justify the tests. I told him, all the tests I was asking for had to do with my HRT health, but he disagreed. WTF is wrong with some DR's. They act like they are paying for this stuff, or that by you asking for other tests your trying to show them up or something!!1 I'm still raging!

[Hackamaniac]

I've gotta jump in here, because I'm upset by my Dr's attitude. I asked him also for the list of tests in the sticky and he just told me I'd have to pay for it if I wanted the extra stuff. He said I needed other medical codes to justify the tests. I told him, all the tests I was asking for had to do with my HRT health, but he disagreed. WTF is wrong with some DR's. They act like they are paying for this stuff, or that by you asking for other tests your trying to show them up or something!!1 I'm still raging!

I agree bro!!! They act like they are paying for it out of pocket....Pisses me off also, but what can we do??

Do they get some kind of kickback for doing less tests?? Makes you wonder...

[ecdysone]

.My doctors said he likes estradiol around 30 and this is the test he odered....I asked him about sensitive test and he acted like that doesn't exist.......

You answered the crux of my question, don't bother your Dr.

But, your E2 result is somewhat worthless, certainly not something you want to plan any AI therapy around.

Without the LabCorp E2 sensitive test, E2 values are just a rough estimate. I would say based on this, yours are good to go.

[Hackamaniac]

I just talked to my doctor......He wants me to raise my dose to 200mg of cyp a week....He also wants me to take .5mg of arimidex twice a week.....I also have a script for up to 1000 ius of hcg per a week....

So I was thinking of doing 50mg of cyp every other day sub q...When would be the best time to take the arimidex and would you start out lower than the .5mg twice a week??

I also don't know if I should start the hcg yet???

I am also going to be starting my armour thyroid soon......

For the dizziness- I had fluid in both of my ears and started a nasal spray a week ago...It hasn't helped, so next step is to see an Ent..

Any opinions are appreciated, thanks guys!!!!

[bass]

thats 175 mgs per week, 0.5 mg twice a week AI sounds a bit too much based on your previous blood work, but you got to follow your doc's protocol so when he dose blood work next time he won't be thrown off, or simply tell him that what you want to do so he knows.

[steroid.com 1]

Because your injection protocol is EOD your AI dose would best be Monday morning and Thursday night.

Take the AI dose as prescribed, Hack.

[PetrX]

Try IM instead of SQ.

[go2failure]

BTW, I inject 60mg twice a week and use .25mg AI and my E2 is in the mid 20's!

I'm curious, what are your other labs like using that protocol? Free T, TT, etc

[go2failure]

I'm curious, what are your other labs like using that protocol? Free T, TT, etc

...bump--please answer^^

[APIs]

Has the OP tried IM? Maybe SQ just isnt for you. There's really no hard data to back up SQ anyway (that I've seen, but could be wrong?). Plus IMO an E2 of 45 is not that high to be canabalizing Test that much. I'd agree more BW is needed to see what's going on before you bump up to 200 mgs/week. Don't be afraid to maximize the dose though if warranted. FYI - I've been on 100 mgs e4d for two years now with great results. Everyone is different...

[bass]

I'm curious, what are your other labs like using that protocol? Free T, TT, etc

GDevine has posted his complete blood work, click on his name and find threads started by him and you will find it, its probably about 10-14 weeks old thread. API correctly stated that every one is different, so find what work for you and stick with it.

[go2failure]

GDevine has posted his complete blood work, click on his name and find threads started by him and you will find it, its probably about 10-14 weeks old thread. API correctly stated that every one is different, so find what work for you and stick with it.

Thanks for the heads up. Yeah, I'm 200mg/week, but not feeling good anymore. Seems I've had some retards for specialists--all of which had no idea what estrogen control or "chemical induced organ failure" means. This coming Wednesday I'm seeing a Dr who has at least heard of HCG and AI's and can tell based on just my inputs before my labs that I'll very likely need the AI. Baby steps?