Anyone got permanent damage from steroid usage

**signals.lahoud** · 07-01-2012, 10:12 PM

Just curious, if any of you guys had thier hormones not go back to normal levels after a standard steroid cycle ? even with proper PCT . ive always been told that steroids arent dangerous if you do them correctly and dont abuse them, and its only dangerous if you go overboard and not responsibly. but now on this forum im hearing thats not true. people here are telling me that even a few standard cycles and your natural test may never come back... kinda scaring me a bit.

Or do you know anyone who this has happened to?

**bass** · 07-01-2012, 10:20 PM

never had the chance to use AAS in my younger years, but when i was feeling old and didn't know enough i did SARMs cycle for 2 months, i was 49 or 50 and my base levels were about 480 scale 250-800 at the time, the scale now is 350-1200. i did a light PCT because we were told that SARMs doesn't shut you down, Wrong! three months later i did BW and my total T came back at 221 scale 250-800, did another PCT, test went up to 540 or so, then couple of months after that went down to 300 or so. to answer your question yes, it could happen but probably in the 20%, which is still very risky. bodybuilders almost always get on TRT after they retire from competing, so that alone speaks volumes!

**MuscleInk** · 07-01-2012, 11:06 PM

As with ANY drug there are always risks and everyone responds differently. It is possible for exogenous hormones to impair the HTPA pathway. In some cases, shunting this pathway can be permanent.....meaning your natural HTPA response, once interrupted could function well below normal levels after AASs and not fully recover. Risks are ever present.

**wmaousley** · 07-01-2012, 11:41 PM

My body no longer produces a natural amount of Testosterone on its own as a result of early AAS use, so now I have to take Nebido as a replacement therapy.

**MuscleInk** · 07-01-2012, 11:58 PM

So in your case, TRT is now a necessity. If so, why the concern about cycling? Is your low-T managed prophylactically now?

**signals.lahoud** · 07-02-2012, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by wmaousley

My body no longer produces a natural amount of Testosterone on its own as a result of early AAS use, so now I have to take Nebido as a replacement therapy.

did you get these probelms from just a couple cycles or was it alot?

**HRTstudent** · 07-02-2012, 01:41 PM

the permanent effects of testosterone or its derivatives, when abused, are muddied waters at best.

what we can tell you is that doctors like Dr Crisler treat hundreds of patients who previously abused these compounds and now they have serious problems.

having said that, there are also people like me who didnt use those drugs and yet, for no exact known reason, we end up with testosterone levels of old, depressed men. Its a complex interplay of our body's physiology at work.

**Brickhouse** · 07-02-2012, 02:14 PM

I am sure I have messed up from Steroids , but this was abuse. I used to do 1,200mg per week of Test and 50mg of D.bol per day. I started using them since I was 18 as was very insecure about my body. I still am insecure about how I look now as my mid 20's I looked fantastic but this was using a lot of juice. Now I am almost 38 and my Test levels are 9.2 so around 260 in the States and I am sure this is because of AAS abuse for 12 years. I am now on Testo-Gel just to keep my Test levels stable and am going to be on Test for the rest of my life.....Although I don't really mind this as TRT comes with a load of benefits like low Cholesterol, good muscle tone, high libido etc......This is what most Men desire past 40 and can never achieve it no matter how hard they train or how strict their diet is, once Test levels have dropped you cant keep on looking good and having the sex drive of an 18 year old!

**Brazensol** · 07-02-2012, 03:22 PM

Are there risks for guys who are already low on testosterone and are getting trt? Since I already have low T that is not a major concern but what other risks are there?

**grilla** · 07-02-2012, 04:07 PM

I am on TRT, brought about, in my opinion, by cycling way too young.

My training partners both suffered damage of a different sort: One tore a pec and a bicep...it could be argued that
it wasn't a direct result of steroid usage but it was almost certainly a contributing factor...the other has a nasty scar
down the back of his leg from injecting junk and getting an awful abscess. Both were pre-20 at the time of incident.

grilla

**signals.lahoud** · 07-02-2012, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by grilla

I am on TRT, brought about, in my opinion, by cycling way too young.

My training partners both suffered damage of a different sort: One tore a pec and a bicep...it could be argued that
it wasn't a direct result of steroid usage but it was almost certainly a contributing factor...the other has a nasty scar
down the back of his leg from injecting junk and getting an awful abscess. Both were pre-20 at the time of incident.

grilla

mind if i ask how many cycles you did? or what kind of doeses you were doing?

**HawaiianPride.** · 07-02-2012, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by signals.lahoud

Just curious, if any of you guys had thier hormones not go back to normal levels after a standard steroid cycle ? even with proper PCT . ive always been told that steroids arent dangerous if you do them correctly and dont abuse them, and its only dangerous if you go overboard and not responsibly. but now on this forum im hearing thats not true. people here are telling me that even a few standard cycles and your natural test may never come back... kinda scaring me a bit.

Or do you know anyone who this has happened to?

Steroids are drugs man. Just because someone is under professional medical supervision and not abusing them, does not mean they will never inflict any detrimental risk on your health. You are just less likely to hit these issues when doing so. I ran some PH's back in 03-04 and I wasn't age ready to be using these compounds and they have definitely altered my total values. I still have a libido while "off" but my panels have shown they are slightly lower then what a normal guy in their mid 20's should be. People tend to think if you do steroids at a young age, you'll notice the negative side effects immediately. Well this isn't the case and some 18 year olds can get away with cycling and be completely fine. What they fail to see or take into consideration is their future, LONG TERM reward vs. risk. The "I want it now" era is so close minded, taking precaution for future health is never on mind unfortunately.

**kelkel** · 07-02-2012, 04:31 PM

MuscleInk and HRT pretty much nailed it IMO. Some people will recover perfectly, others won't. It's a crap shoot where every precaution needs to be taken to help with pct. Back in my competitive days (late 70's - 89 last show) pct was non existent in the beginning and all was left up to chance. The internet wasn't around and info was limited. I can only imagine how many bodybuilders from that period suffered debilitating issues later in life. I consider myself fortunate that I hung in there ok until winning the lottery with a pituitary tumor.

That said, the amounts of aas I personally did back then are what a few guys do here for TRT currently. One of the reasons I stopped in 89was that friends of mine would literally do in one week what I was doing in eight weeks. Another reason was it became illegal and I was not about to risk my pension/benefits for a trophy.

I consider all of us extremely fortunate that TRT is available. Our parents generation did not have access to such a "gift" and had to suffer the consequences of existing with little to no testosterone . My .02 anyway. Sorry for the rant.

**grilla** · 07-02-2012, 04:50 PM

signals--

It was the 1980s...the doses paled in comparison to what is commonly done today. Cycles were simple...no internet.

Listen, while anyone who says you are guaranteed serious damage is overstating the case, so, too, is anyone who guarantees you'll be fine.

What you'll find if you read enough on this site, and particularly this forum, is that the people saying wait are not doing it out of self interest...it's not because they
think you're going to take the stage and beat them or hog all the best p-ssy at the club...It's because they've been there and are speaking from experience.

Good luck!

grilla

**ironbeck** · 07-02-2012, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by bass

never had the chance to use AAS in my younger years, but when i was feeling old and didn't know enough i did SARMs cycle for 2 months, i was 49 or 50 and my base levels were about 480 scale 250-800 at the time, the scale now is 350-1200. i did a light PCT because we were told that SARMs doesn't shut you down, Wrong! three months later i did BW and my total T came back at 221 scale 250-800, did another PCT, test went up to 540 or so, then couple of months after that went down to 300 or so. to answer your question yes, it could happen but probably in the 20%, which is still very risky. bodybuilders almost always get on TRT after they retire from competing, so that alone speaks volumes!

Did you or any of you guys use hgc while cycling?

**kelkel** · 07-02-2012, 08:31 PM

Never even heard of HCG back then.

**wmaousley** · 07-02-2012, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by signals.lahoud

did you get these probelms from just a couple cycles or was it alot?

This was the result of cycling prior to when I should have, This cant be measured on the amount of cycles as 1mg-10,0000mg of any exogenous hormone could have caused this.