is 95 pg estrpgen high for 32 yr old male

[dreadnok89]

hey guys new member here. i got a bloodtest recently and my test was 525 and my estrogen was 95 pg. that sounds high and awful test for being on androgel. any input would be great

[jimmyinkedup]

yes it is..it should be in the mid to high 20's in my opinion.

[dreadnok89]

See, i was trying to tell the nurse this. Shes says between 40 to 115 is normal. Hogwash i say. Even 525 test on androgel is crappy. Im trying liquid arimidex. How much should i take?

[jimmyinkedup]

.25mg every other day is where I would start. see how that goes for you..you can always up it.

[dreadnok89]

Ok thx man. How long till it kicks in?

[jimmyinkedup]

pretty quickly...you should feel better withing a week -2weeks(more likely on the shorter side of that) . if not ..up it to .5eod but i really think in this case .25eod will do the trick.

[dreadnok89]

Ok thx again man. Now hopefully the stuff i got is legit. It tastes like alcohol

[jimmyinkedup]

the powder is often mixed in ethyl alcohol (grain alcohol) so that makes sense.
Best of luck.
Keep us posted.

[dreadnok89]

Ok sweet one more question. The syringe says 1/2 then goes 10 to 20 all the way up to 50. What would be. 25 sorry for the annoying questions and thx for caring

[HRTstudent]

was it a sensitive test?

[dreadnok89]

That i do not know. It was to monitor my test. Cause i been on androgel

[effinmo]

That much adex will kill your estro . I would go with .125 and use that e3d to start with and adjust from there.

[bass]

what is the range on the E2 test? its hard to believe gel will raise your E2 that high!

[dreadnok89]

You guys are way to smart. Ill get a copy of my bloddtest and post my results. Id rather not say something stupid. All i know is the test scale for estrogen was 40 to 115. I been using hcg as well 500 cc every two days. I apologize with the lack of info. I am a dope lol.

[effinmo]

You guys are way to smart. Ill get a copy of my bloddtest and post my results. Id rather not say something stupid. All i know is the test scale for estrogen was 40 to 115. I been using hcg as well 500 cc every two days. I apologize with the lack of info. I am a dope lol.

There it is! Its the hcg! Hcg will spike you estro! Drop it, you dont need it !

[dreadnok89]

Sigh, myth debunked. I been using andro gel for a while. I dont like when my balls shut off. Im small in the genitals bwfore they shut off! I noticed i urinate alot more at night and ejaculating is awful when they shut off. I will however stop using it for a bit. My estrogen never using hcg was 78. And 95 after using it. Thoughts on that?

[dreadnok89]

You guys are way to smart. Ill get a copy of my bloddtest and post my results. Id rather not say something stupid. All i know is the test scale for estrogen was 40 to 115. I been using hcg as well 500 cc every two days. I apologize with the lack of info. I am a dope lol.

[dreadnok89]

You guys are way to smart. Ill get a copy of my bloddtest and post my results. Id rather not say something stupid. All i know is the test scale for estrogen was 40 to 115. I been using hcg as well 500 cc every two days. I apologize with the lack of info. I am a dope lol.

[bass]

There it is! Its the hcg! Hcg will spike you estro! Drop it, you dont need it !

Please stop giving your ill informed opinions.

OP, your e2 is not to be concerned about, however you still need to lower it to mid range. You really want to do a sensitive assay to see exactly what you need to do. You can take 0.125 mg twice a week for now then 4 weeks do blood test.

[dreadnok89]

Bass, should i tell my doctor that when he draws blood?

[effinmo]

Sigh, myth debunked. I been using andro gel for a while. I dont like when my balls shut off. Im small in the genitals bwfore they shut off! I noticed i urinate alot more at night and ejaculating is awful when they shut off. I will however stop using it for a bit. My estrogen never using hcg was 78. And 95 after using it. Thoughts on that?

Any test replacement will raise your estro because test will aromatize to estrogen so it is about replacing what you are missing without using too much. If you get the balance right your test will be in the mid to high normal range and estro should be in normal range or close amyhow. I use 100mg test once a week and .25mg adex once a week to keep estro in normal range other wise my estro will be slightly elevated with mild sides like some acne. I am also on inj rather than androgel but overall similar dose! At these doses for me anyway my nads still produce on there own amd my test levels are in the 1100 ng/dl range!

[dreadnok89]

Thats great man. Um thinking of switching to injections as well.

[bass]

Bass, should i tell my doctor that when he draws blood?

Yes. Balance and how you feel is the key to a successful TRT.

[effinmo]

[QUOTE=bass;6165805]Please stop giving your ill informed opinions.

OP, your e2 is not to be concerned about, however you still need to lower it to mid range. You really want to do a sensitive assay to see exactly what you need to do. You can take 0.125 mg twice a week for now then 4 weeks do blood test.[/QUOTE
Not gonna get into a pissing match with you but its funny you say stop giving my ill informed opinions but you parrot what i suggest! Pretty funny! I might be new here but not new to the game! Dont take it personal im not trying to hijack your precious fans! Cheers!

[dreadnok89]

I was in terrible shape before TRT. At one point my test 99. With the androgel i noticed my sex life started to get a huge boost. Everything work alot better. And recover better in the gym. Im strong as hell. Thats why i never thought i had test problems.

[bass]

Effinmo,

Unless I didn't read correctly, but it looks like you said to drop the hcg! Did I miss something? If I did I apologize.

[SEOINAGE]

Any test replacement will raise your estro because test will aromatize to estrogen so it is about replacing what you are missing without using too much. If you get the balance right your test will be in the mid to high normal range and estro should be in normal range or close amyhow. I use 100mg test once a week and .25mg adex once a week to keep estro in normal range other wise my estro will be slightly elevated with mild sides like some acne. I am also on inj rather than androgel but overall similar dose! At these doses for me anyway my nads still produce on there own amd my test levels are in the 1100 ng/dl range!

Wait what? how do your nads produce on their own with test levels at 1100 from your injections?

[effinmo]

Wait what? how do your nads produce on their own with test levels at 1100 from your injections?

Good question. I do bloodwork every few weeks and on a 100mg/week dose it does not shut down my natty production which is obviously low to begin with. Thats why i am on TRT. My natty levels are 360ish and on trt in the 1100 range which is at the upper limits of Normal range . With this program my LH does not shut off! This the info i get with regular blood work! I have tried other doses amd if increase to letes say 200mg/wk my test levels only go up in the 1300 range and that does shut.my LH off completely!

[effinmo]

Oh and to BASS. I did say drop the hcg because on trt you should not need it. Hcg is mainly uses after a real cycle or some like to use during a real cycle but i prefer after a cycle to get back online as quickly as possible. However if one is to use hcg without knowing how or why you are using it, very possible to become desensitized to its effects for good and fact of the matter is hcg will spike estro so at least need to use an AI along with it to control the estro spike. IMO most people want to use too much gear! Keep it to a minimum! Bexause if one was using hcg while on trt, then one would be on hcg for life! Not a good idea! Thats all !

[bass]

Oh and to BASS. I did say drop the hcg because on trt you should not need it. Hcg is mainly uses after a real cycle or some like to use during a real cycle but i prefer after a cycle to get back online as quickly as possible. However if one is to use hcg without knowing how or why you are using it, very possible to become desensitized to its effects for good and fact of the matter is hcg will spike estro so at least need to use an AI along with it to control the estro spike. IMO most people want to use too much gear! Keep it to a minimum! Bexause if one was using hcg while on trt, then one would be on hcg for life! Not a good idea! Thats all !

You are correct on few things but wrong on the hCG not to be part of TRT. Read the sticky regarding hCG and you'll see why it's important to be part of the TRT protocol.

[jimmyinkedup]

That much adex will kill your estro . I would go with .125 and use that e3d to start with and adjust from there.

You are correct. Im not quite sure what i was thinking when I typed it.
I apologize OP ....
I will let the trt experts like bass and kel and others take this from here on it.
Your n good hands

[dreadnok89]

i was told soon as your first application of gel your nads start shutting off!

[HRTstudent]

Well, first things first, you need to get a sensitive or ultrasenstive estradiol lab test.

I've never seen either of those with a range of 40 to 115. A standard estradiol or estrogen test is worthless for you.

I'm not saying you don't have high or low E2, but you do need to start with the right test IMO.

[HRTstudent]

i was told soon as your first application of gel your nads start shutting off!

This is true, but they don't completely disappear and/or go 100% nonfunctional. Fertility would be expected to decrease, and size can decrease slightly but it shouldn't make you have nothing down there...

[LevMyshkin]

i was told soon as your first application of gel your nads start shutting off!

Yes. HRT is correct. With exogenous test your body will begin to shut down its own natural production. HCG will help prevent testicular atrophy.

Also, I've read that (I'm not certain as to the quality of this information) that androgel has a tendency to convert at a higher rate to estrogen than injected test since the test in the gel has to pass through the subcutaneous layer of fat that we all have and thus, gel results in a higher estrogen rate than injected.

Did you have any tenderness on your chest? I felt like mine was going to eat through my shirt and the clinic put me on an AI asap. Tenderness in your chest or around your nipples is one of the first signs of a high estrogen level.

[dreadnok89]

see im not sure about the tenderness. when i was 23 i took some stuff at gnc called. m13. it turned out to be made illegal and was a steroid. i think that's what really shut my system down a long time ago. every year seemed to get worse and worse. i don't know if i have a weird chest because of that stuff. or just because i lifted a lot and slowed down when i got older. does tenderness mean sore? i never had alot down below but with the gel, when it completely shut down my nads, they looked alot worse. then i started getting alot of night pissing and ejacualting was awful. with the hcg all of that is gone. ill take an estro bump to get rid of the other things tho

[bass]

Also, I've read that (I'm not certain as to the quality of this information) that androgel has a tendency to convert at a higher rate to estrogen than injected test since the test in the gel has to pass through the subcutaneous layer of fat that we all have and thus, gel results in a higher estrogen rate than injected.

Usually it's the other way around, injections have higher rate of conversion! Can this thread get anymore confusing for the OP! LOL

[HRTstudent]

see im not sure about the tenderness. when i was 23 i took some stuff at gnc called. m13. it turned out to be made illegal and was a steroid. i think that's what really shut my system down a long time ago. every year seemed to get worse and worse. i don't know if i have a weird chest because of that stuff. or just because i lifted a lot and slowed down when i got older. does tenderness mean sore? i never had alot down below but with the gel, when it completely shut down my nads, they looked alot worse. then i started getting alot of night pissing and ejacualting was awful. with the hcg all of that is gone. ill take an estro bump to get rid of the other things tho

At this point, you can probably forget about the stuff you ran for a few weeks last decade. It surely effected your body at the time, but its not even worth considering that it had anything to do with a long term effect, given that you ran it only for a short time and one time.

Also, right now we are more concerned with changes rather than how things are. If you had some gyno from before that's one thing, but if you are now experiencing new or increased puffiness, tenderness, or itchiness then that is to be addressed. The signs of elevated E2 are variable as far as which ones you will get, but they are fairly straightforward. For example, I get no water retention even when I am far above range on E2, but my nipples get puffy and itchy.

The only real way to address whether or not your e2 is where you want it to be is with blood work. That's why we always test for estradiol sensitive, and we recommend it for everyone - taking testosterone will impact your E2 (e2 is estradiol FYI).

As far as injects vs transdermals and estradiol conversion... the best answer I've come across is that its variable and ultimately the only way to know what works for you is for you to try it. That's why there is no 1 best TRT regimen, no 1 set mg per week amount, and no 1 set drug combination.

[dreadnok89]

this is insanely great info. i will ask my doctor next blood test. i switched from andro gel to something called axeiron. i take 2 pumps and put it under my armpits. i been feeling great using for a week so far. def feel more than 4 pumps of andro gel. and i been using the the liquid arimidex. i ran out nof the hcg :{ gotta get more of it

[havanakid]

Bass, should i tell my doctor that when he draws blood?

Hey buddy is your doctor a family doctor/general medicine or an actual trt physician?