toremifene as hrt

[dvr2470]

I have low levels of test and elevated levels of estrogen and would like to to take torem to block the estrogen and increase endogenous test production. I want to take it kind of long term as in a few years consistently. FYI I do not currently do steroids and do not plan to for a couple years yet. I just wanted to know if the torem would eventually lose its effect after a certain period of time as my body tries to adjust. Would it stimulate the upregulation of the estrogen receptor? Thanks in advance.

[kelkel]

Well, torem is a SERM similar to Nolvadex. It blocks receptors in the breast area but will not reduce circulating levels of E. Have you had blood work done to determine why your levels are the way they are? Would be great to know your LH & FSH levels. It may give you a good indication of what kind of treatment/therapy you should pursue. Google "pubmed toremifene" and you will get plenty of reading material. I do not believe it loses its effects.

[Vettester]

Hi dvr, thanks for joining. Could you please post your stats and a little information about yourself so that we can help you better?

I have to agree with Kelkel on this. Run your labs first before pulling the trigger on this. I personally don't think that taking a SERM for any lengthy period of time is the way to do it. If your HPTA isn't producing sufficient levels of LH/FSH, and won't sustain any normal levels after running a PCT, then IMO other options should be explored for your health and wellness. An MRI of the pituitary might be in order, depending on your results, age & health, and previous circumstances.

[dvr2470]

Well, torem is a SERM similar to Nolvadex. It blocks receptors in the breast area but will not reduce circulating levels of E. Have you had blood work done to determine why your levels are the way they are? Would be great to know your LH & FSH levels. It may give you a good indication of what kind of treatment/therapy you should pursue. Google "pubmed toremifene" and you will get plenty of reading material. I do not believe it loses its effects.

Yea I realize it will not reduce estrogen levels but will increase it if anything. My goal is to increase circulating testosterone levels . I have had bloodwork but dont have numbers off the top of my head. What i do remember is that my LH and FSH were low.

[dvr2470]

Hi dvr, thanks for joining. Could you please post your stats and a little information about yourself so that we can help you better?

I have to agree with Kelkel on this. Run your labs first before pulling the trigger on this. I personally don't think that taking a SERM for any lengthy period of time is the way to do it. If your HPTA isn't producing sufficient levels of LH/FSH, and won't sustain any normal levels after running a PCT, then IMO other options should be explored for your health and wellness. An MRI of the pituitary might be in order, depending on your results, age & health, and previous circumstances.

Yes my stats are:
6'5"
215Lbs
14% bodyfat
17 years old.
^One of the reasons why i don't want to take any actual hormones.

I know that it works for me because I have used it before and was very satisfied with its effects. My aggression, libido, strength,energy,and mood all went up. My main concern is long term usage and.its effects on the estrogen rececptor . I don't want any upregulation of the estrogen receptor.

[Vettester]

Yes my stats are:
6'5"
215Lbs
14% bodyfat
17 years old.
^One of the reasons why i don't want to take any actual hormones.

I know that it works for me because I have used it before and was very satisfied with its effects. My aggression, libido, strength,energy,and mood all went up. My main concern is long term usage and.its effects on the estrogen rececptor . I don't want any upregulation of the estrogen receptor.

Sorry dvr, I know you are sincere here and looking for legitimate advise, however our rules state (#13) that a member must be 18 years old http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...2#.UFkUi66qjpw. Not to stymie you on a technicality, but we can't provide any further advise on your situation. I appreciate your honesty, and your intelligence to know that AAS are not a good move at your age. We wish you could get through to so many of the young ones that don't share your discipline.

You are more than welcome to rejoin when you turn 18. Thanks for your understanding.

[*Admin*]

Continue to read and learn... but you will be suspended for 2 months until you are 18.

*admin*

[AnabolicDoc]

This is meant for dvr. I'm imagining you rejoined the forum. I don't know about toremifene, but there are recent studies that show that Clomid can be used to for the long term treatment of young adults with low testosterone who also wish to preserve fertility. Clomid and toremifene are similar compounds called SERMs.

Go to PubMed and search for clomiphene and hypogonadism (medical speak for decreased functioning testicles, low testosterone).

[dvr2470]

This is meant for dvr. I'm imagining you rejoined the forum. I don't know about toremifene, but there are recent studies that show that Clomid can be used to for the long term treatment of young adults with low testosterone who also wish to preserve fertility. Clomid and toremifene are similar compounds called SERMs.

Go to PubMed and search for clomiphene and hypogonadism (medical speak for decreased functioning testicles, low testosterone).

Thanks. I have done quite a bit of research on it and found that clomid may reduce sensitivity to gnrh at the dosage that would be necessary for me. Therefore I have gone with torem and have been on it for a month now with great results. The only concern is elevated dht levels at this point but I don't have any hairless, so I won't mess around with that. One thing though is according to some before and after bloodwork, my growth hormone and igf1 levels have gone down slightly. Btw I realize that I may get banned for awhile for saying this, but I'm actually only 16. The reason why I am saying this is because everyone assumes that people my age are uneducated on the topic of aas. This is true for the most part, but don't assume so until you know for sure.

[dvr2470]

But again thanks for the help.