Good episode for anyone dealing with HRT and still having symptoms.

[SEOINAGE]

Goes over adrenal fatigue, magnesium vit D3, fat storage, cortisol, etc lots of good info from Charles Poliquin. Well worth the info, even if you have to listen to Carl interrupt the expert haha. I've been doing a lot of research lately on these things, and almost feel like I might have been able to avoid TRT with some of the info, I'm looking more into Adrenal Fatigue thanks to Gdevine's suggestion, and realizing how important it is to look at all these other issues from adrenals to testosterone to thryoid to the whole picture, because even with TRT, without getting everything in line you won't feel as good as you would expect and always wonder why things aren't working.

It's on super human radio number 1052.

[steroid.com 1]

It's all about synergistic balance across ALL pathways not just dumping in Testosterone...this is where many get it wrong.

You're heading in the right direction Seoinage.

[SEOINAGE]

It's all about synergistic balance across ALL pathways not just dumping in Testosterone...this is where many get it wrong.

You're heading in the right direction Seoinage.

Thanks, I appreciate the help too. I read the other day about people fixing the problem incorrectly by taking more and more testosterone, and how it won't get you anywhere without looking at other factors, and as people know I am already on a high dose, and feel like i need more, but realizing this I am looking in to other things, have more thyroid labs friday as well and going to try and use other methods and if anything make my trt more effective and hopefully even lower the dose some. I'm doing pretty well without an AI I have to add, and if I can get by with a lower dose which I couldn't manage before then my E2 could be in the sweet spot without AI, of course some of these other supplements can have an effect on estradiol so I still have to be careful.

[Hackamaniac]

I am on trt and thyroid meds and still exhausted all the time... I'm hoping to get the the cortisol salivary test soon.. Keep us posted Seoinage and I hope you get it figured out!!!

[HRTstudent]

I am on trt and thyroid meds and still exhausted all the time... I'm hoping to get the the cortisol salivary test soon.. Keep us posted Seoinage and I hope you get it figured out!!!

How is your nutrition and general lifestyle? (active, sedentary, deskjob, lots of sunlight, no sun, etc etc)

I am going to listen to this podcast for sure, but even just reading this thread I agree with it. My current doc is a wellness-focused doc and he is very much an advocate of the rounded approach and the most important step is nutrition.

[HRTstudent]

Goes over adrenal fatigue, magnesium vit D3, fat storage, cortisol, etc lots of good info from Charles Poliquin. Well worth the info, even if you have to listen to Carl interrupt the expert haha. I've been doing a lot of research lately on these things, and almost feel like I might have been able to avoid TRT with some of the info, I'm looking more into Adrenal Fatigue thanks to Gdevine's suggestion, and realizing how important it is to look at all these other issues from adrenals to testosterone to thryoid to the whole picture, because even with TRT, without getting everything in line you won't feel as good as you would expect and always wonder why things aren't working.

It's on super human radio number 1052.

Here's the link I believe... http://***************.com/shr-1052-...bborn-fat.html

And as for the bolded part... I agree with that for myself. To be quite frank, I think I will try to come off of TRT within the next year and see what I can do without it. For guys under 35, I think it's totally worth pursuing IF you seem to have no definitive problem that would absolutely prevent you from achieving reasonable hormone levels. If you're over 40, however, I figure its probably worth it IMO.

[steroid.com 1]

^^^^I'm over 40 for sure and trust me...IT'S WORTH IT

[SEOINAGE]

Here's the link I believe... http://***************.com/shr-1052-...bborn-fat.html

And as for the bolded part... I agree with that for myself. To be quite frank, I think I will try to come off of TRT within the next year and see what I can do without it. For guys under 35, I think it's totally worth pursuing IF you seem to have no definitive problem that would absolutely prevent you from achieving reasonable hormone levels. If you're over 40, however, I figure its probably worth it IMO.

I'm debating doing similar next year to see what happens, once I get more of this figured out I would like to see how I do and at least do some experimenting. my doc will give me the cortisol saliva take home kit any time I want, but I rarely go in to town soon enough, i might see if I can just mail it in. It's funny what they say about getting up in the morning. I have mornings like today where I get up at 3 am, and it's crucial that i get moving and get the things done I need to, regular days are 5 am, but I set three alarm times to make sure I get up, and usually snooze the first two, and sometimes even the third, would be awesome to have one alarm go off and get up, but in the morning I am incoherent and don't know what is going on, almost need an alarm that tells me what I'm supposed to be doing. I lost a job years ago, an unimportant one because I slept through my alarm a couple times, but I just figured that morning issue was fairly normal, and it might not indicate a problem.

[HRTstudent]

I am anything but a morning person lol...

To me, TRT has been far less than impressive when I weigh how I felt, how I feel, and what it has costed me in money, time, effort, medical "games". I just don't feel THAT much better compared to when I was living with a T in the 200's.

When or if you do decide to come off please do update us on this forum.

[Ace111]

I am anything but a morning person lol...

To me, TRT has been far less than impressive when I weigh how I felt, how I feel, and what it has costed me in money, time, effort, medical "games". I just don't feel THAT much better compared to when I was living with a T in the 200's.

When or if you do decide to come off please do update us on this forum.

Really? This doesn't sound too promising.

This is what I'm worried about, spending money, putting exogenous hormones and other substances into my body and then for it to not work. Then getting off the therapy with the risk that my naturals hormone levels will be worse than pre-treatment.

How big is that risk btw?

[Hackamaniac]

Really? This doesn't sound too promising.

This is what I'm worried about, spending money, putting exogenous hormones and other substances into my body and then for it to not work. Then getting off the therapy with the risk that my naturals hormone levels will be worse than pre-treatment.

How big is that risk btw?

I agree with these guys.... Trt has helped me gain some muscle, but hasn't made me feel much better at all.. It's a big headache and very expensive... I don't think i've hit my sweet spot yet, but damn it gets frusturating...Some have great results, I haven't... I also had t levels in the 200s.... Good luck whatever you decide!

[HRTstudent]

Really? This doesn't sound too promising.

This is what I'm worried about, spending money, putting exogenous hormones and other substances into my body and then for it to not work. Then getting off the therapy with the risk that my naturals hormone levels will be worse than pre-treatment.

How big is that risk btw?

Well, yes really lol I have no reason to make up anything I say.

As far as TRT not "working" I think it depends on what you want it to "work" for you. I wanted improved well being, more energy, really mostly mental things. And frankly I have had high T now for quite a while and I cannot positively say I have any more energy nor any improved well being. The physical effects are noticeable such as improved recovery from physical work and I don't really wake up with muscle aches... well ever anymore. So I have to ask myself... are these small, "minor" (to me) improvements worth spending hundreds to thousands of dollars, seeing a doctor regularly, dealing with prescriptions, feeling reliant on the medical system for my schedule III drugs, and knowing I have to poke my leg, delt, or glute 3 times a week and make sure I don't miss my anastrozole? I can't say it is worth it today. And what if I lost health insurance? Well, then I would have to come off anyways! This is the reality of my journey on TRT.

Its not that rare for someone to go on TRT and come off. Its far less often than those who stay on most likely, but having been on the TRT "scene" now for around a year or so I have seen my fair share of people who tried life off T again. Granted, they don't post as much as people who stay on

The risk of being WORSE off after having been on TRT is slim to none IMO for most people. If you're an otherwise relatively healthy person and you spent time correcting what COULD have been giving you health and wellness problems, then I see no reasons you shouldn't be at least the same as where you started. A short term drop off should be expected while your natural hormones kick back into gear.

Now, I would say this goes for the person who has been on T from maybe 6 months to a couple years. If you were on TRT for 10 years or some very long period then I imagine things could be more difficult. But really... if you were on TRT for 10 years why bother coming off?... I think most people who come off come off within a year or two because the benefits don't outweigh the costs.

[juice2012]

I've only been on TRT for 6 weeks and haven't felt any less tired on it. Still taking ritalin to stay awake during the day. But I will say just the libido increase alone was worth it. As a 28 year old with a girlfriend now living with me, going from having sex 2-4 times a month to everyday has greatly improved my relationship.