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    Well, quite honestly, it is impossible to tell if the leydig cells are atrophying by the volume of your testicles. If you believe it to have other effects, I can go along with that, such as toxicity or something to that effect. The actual atrophy (degree of shutdown) of the leydig cells. which are of concern when mentioning HPTA, are a different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE-DET-OAK

    ^^^^ this is terrible information.
    No, not terrible information, most if not all of us on TRT understood that TRT is for life. Do some recover? Of course, but most won't. We're talking about recovering from TRT! Recover to what?! There is a reason why we got on TRT in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    No, not terrible information, most if not all of us on TRT understood that TRT is for life. Do some recover? Of course, but most won't. We're talking about recovering from TRT! Recover to what?! There is a reason why we got on TRT in the first place.
    I just meant that telling someone that if they try TRT for a year they are on for life and its just not true man.

    We will have to agree to disagree on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE-DET-OAK View Post
    I just meant that telling someone that if they try TRT for a year they are on for life and its just not true man.

    We will have to agree to disagree on that one.
    i would rather take the risk as a fact than a false hope. the phrase "TRT is for life" was established for a good reason. i stand by my comment that there is a point of no return. BTW are you on TRT?

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    There are so many different variables at play when it comes to someone having low test. For most, yes, I would think HRT is for life bc otherwise they would just feel like shit with low T. But I feel like there are plenty of situations that would warrant HRT while the underlying problem is handled so the person doesn't go a few years of just feeling like ass with low test. It's obviously a delicate situation and process and of course one would have to weigh the pros and cons, but I have to say I agree with OAK on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    No, not terrible information, most if not all of us on TRT understood that TRT is for life. Do some recover? Of course, but most won't. We're talking about recovering from TRT! Recover to what?! There is a reason why we got on TRT in the first place.
    x2. I for one have seen quite a few people on this forum & in real life who have tried the re-start game. Everyone ultimately came back with crappy numbers & feeling worse than when they first started TRT. Yeah, that's not for me thanks. I'm doing just fine where I am & frankly too busy to dick around with this anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by APIs

    I'm doing just fine where I am & frankly too busy to dick around with this anyway...
    LMAO! Exactly bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdevine View Post
    Properly prescribed, there should NEVER be a trial run of Testosterone Replacement Therapy in men in my opinion.
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    How many TRT doctors try a restart protocol when a patient is secondary if all other values are normal? Do you? Considering if you ask the patient if he has taken steroids in the past, he may lie. Taking that in consideration, a restart protocol should be tried before TRT in every case for the hope of jump starting the HPTA. Do you agree that TRT is not properly prescribed if a restart protocol has not been tried with patients whom are secondary?
    Would be very interested in a response!

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    It's as if some of you are hating on the people that may be able to be temporary HRTers. Kinda odd


    I guess it's maybe just Hormone Therapy for those and not a lifetime replacement. I just don't know why it has to be a hard rule HRT For Life, nothing else
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    Quote Originally Posted by TennTarheel View Post
    It's as if some of you are hating on the people that may be able to be temporary HRTers. Kinda odd


    I guess it's maybe just Hormone Therapy for those and not a lifetime replacement. I just don't know why it has to be a hard rule HRT For Life, nothing else
    it is what it is bro! TRT is also mental, you should look forward not back-words. TRT can change your life for better why look back?!

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    Originally Posted by gdevine
    Properly prescribed, there should NEVER be a trial run of Testosterone Replacement Therapy in men in my opinion.


    Originally Posted by Sworder
    How many TRT doctors try a restart protocol when a patient is secondary if all other values are normal? Do you? Considering if you ask the patient if he has taken steroids in the past, he may lie. Taking that in consideration, a restart protocol should be tried before TRT in every case for the hope of jump starting the HPTA. Do you agree that TRT is not properly prescribed if a restart protocol has not been tried with patients whom are secondary?

    Would be very interested in a response!


    The first two words of this sentence are bolded for a reason: Properly prescribed = When everything else failed.

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    I honestly would love to know I always have optimal test levels. Hell, I'm sure once I get going I probably won't want to chance ever being lower than optimal with the occasional blast along the way. I'm still trying to find the right doc so I can start feeling good again. Shit, I'm living in the low T range right now and sure as hell would never want to come back to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdevine View Post

    The first two words of this sentence are bolded for a reason: Properly prescribed = When everything else failed.
    Greatly appreciated!

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