No sex drive! NEED HELP PLEASE!

[khardy]

Please help me! When I met my fiance in June of 2011 he had been on some heavy steroids for a couple of months and stopped them abruptly in August of 2011, which caused him to break out severely on his back and loss ALL DESIRE to have sex. Since then we have been on a roller coaster to say the least and have spent a few thousand on therapy that hasn't worked! He went to the endo almost a year ago and his testosterone level was 36, yes 36! The dr put him on test injections and clomide for blocking the estrogen (which he is now off). They were able to get his test level to 225 but has NOT helped with libido....They seem totally clueless about what to do.

He still has ZERO sex drive and cries at movies that would make a girl cry! I've bought EVERYTHING under the moon for him to try and nothing seems to work. He's now taking 2 scoops of L-Arginine and a testosterone booster , but still no improvement. He refuses to get on more testosterone because of the back acne. Will this ever get better? and if so, how long??

[MickeyKnox]

Good job Khardy. Be patient and the pros in here will begin to unravel this for you. There IS light at the end of the tunnel.

[MickeyKnox]

Once again, i just want to emphasize how important it is to have him sign on here and be able to answer questions directly. But if that's not an option, the HRT specialists will do their best.

[bigboy67]

sounds like his AAS use shut down his natural production, and when he "quit abruptly" I can also almost guarantee that means he did not do a proper post cycle therapy.... which means his natural production has remaiend in shut down mode. I would personally come off the testosterone, and have bloods checked in 4 weeks to get a real baseline for ALL levels, testosterone, LSH, FSH, Estradiol, etc. Then look to start a real protocol.

I would probably even have him do a post cycle therapy and see if eh can kickstart the natural production first... may just solve the problem right there

[largerthannormal]

I would agree with MickeyKnox, not to mention 225 depending on what doctor you go to is still under normal im guessing they are giving him a severly low dose sub 250 mg ew. If I were him or you before administering synthetic test i would give an attempt to fix the problem rather than cover it up with test. Maybe before HRT is considered talk to a few guys on here. I know "Swifto" is very knowledgable on kick starting the boys back into gear. A few others guys as well. If it cant be done then consider HRT. Just my two cents.

maybe a HCG blast after he gets off the test. Tamoxifen citrate and clomid, should get everything close to normal. depending on age and how long hes been off

[khardy]

Thank you...again! I can answer any questions that they have. I've been dealing with this with him for a year now, so I'm kinda an expert!

[largerthannormal]

The test boosters are a joke in my eyes.... when im on i cry at stupid girly movies but not off but thats because I do proper PCT.... i hope you consider my option before hrt... also most ENDO's dont know crap..... esp when it comes to this. my opinion

[largerthannormal]

what did they have him on dosage wise? also the acne and and sadness, all because the estrogen is not controlled. very common side effects and very easy to avoid, a little more problematic to fix it now but should be still possible

[khardy]

Let me give you guys a better breakdown of what's going on and what we have already tried..... Ok, here goes. He went off the steroids around September of 2011 and his libido was GONE by October 2011. He then went to the doctor and had a complete blood work up and his testosterone level was 36 and he had elevated estrogen levels as well as abnormal pituitary levels so they put him on 2cc's of testosterone every week, which did nothing. He stayed on that for a month and half and nothing got better. They referred him to a endo and they took him off the test injections and took his blood. At that time, his test level was 100 so they started him on Clomide for a month. He went back to have blood work and his test level was 250 and they said that was a "low" normal and took him off that and said they didn't know what else to do for him because they don't have anything for low libido. The last visit to the doctor was in July of 2012. Nothing has changed and probably gotten worse, if possible. The acne is worse and there is still not change in libido. Since the doctor, he has tried the following:
NUGENIX™ Testosterone Booster
L-Arginine
T-Bomb
ArginMax
RegiMEN™ Testosterone Support
GNC Men's Staminol™ Ultra
Sera-Pharma Amidren™

What else can a doctor do for him?

[MickeyKnox]

Bottom line is, he needs to bring up his test levels while controlling his E2 levels. This can be accomplished fairly easily with a knowledgeable HRT doctor. It appears that your doc has none or little knowledge, when it comes to the endocrine system and how to treat hormone values.

Forget about that otc stuff. Your fiance needs current bloodwork. Then depending on the results, TRT with an AI. This in itself will likely restore his libido and drive.

But again, current bloodwork is key and will provide a solid picture of whats really happening.

[steroid.com 1]

If you can post his blood work I would be more than happy to make an assessment.

I don't see anything here about managing his estrogen (E2).

You stated it was elevated but by how much?

Elevated E2 (as well as suppressed) levels will crush libido and erection quality (EQ) as well...it's a classic symptom.

If his E2 is elevated and it's not being managed with an aromatase inhibitor like anastrozole then additional Testosterone he's putting in now is only being converted to E2 making matters worse.

See if you can post his blood work complete with ranges in this thread.

[largerthannormal]

AHhhh gotchya......

Ok as for all the supps you listed are not going to do jack crap for someone who is that deep in, maybe elevate a few points but nothing youll see or feel

as for 2ccs still depends on what the mg/ml is but I am guessing its still a low dose.

Well I can tell you what you should give a whirl if it were me because I have been shut down before and ive seen a few people do it, I just cant remember what the dosage is to a T.

He needs to do a HCG blast, it is going to be the only thing that has the power to stimulate the gonads to produce on their own. nothing else will help alone, on top of this he may still want to run a standard nolva/clomid protocol. HCG is believe is going to be around 500IU ed.

but ya blood work would help a ton if everyone could see

[khardy]

He was on 50mg of clomid twice a day for 6 weeks. Saw no improvement. So if endos don't how to fix this, who does??

[steroid.com 1]

He needs to do a HCG blast, it is going to be the only thing that has the power to stimulate the gonads to produce on their own. nothing else will help alone, on top of this he may still want to run a standard nolva/clomid protocol. HCG is believe is going to be around 500IU ed.

I respectively disagree with this; if his E2 is evelvated as stated it must be controlled first as any additional increase in androgen levels will simply be synthesized into Estradiol.

We need blood work first and foremost.

[MickeyKnox]

He was on 50mg of clomid twice a day for 6 weeks. Saw no improvement. So if endos don't how to fix this, who does??

The members in this thread that say HRT Specialist under their name.

Follow GDevine's instructions and you will get help.

[chickenstirfry]

khardy, check out GDevines post again. His problems are estrogen related by the looks of it. He most likely needs to lower his estrogen back into normal ranges with an aromatase inhibitor like Anastrozole. If he still has acne and is crying all the time, like Gdevine said, classic high-estrogen symptoms.

[khardy]

My issue with him now is that he REFUSES to take anymore testosterone injections and really has no desire to go back to the endo doctor because they said they can't do anymore for him. they took him off the clomid a few months ago because she was satisfied that his testosterone levels were up to 250..... So after 3,000 worth of blood work, clomid and more blood work they said there wasn't anything else they could do and wanted to start him on depression stuff (he said hell no because he's truly not depressed). Ugggghhhhh!! I have called his doctor to get his current blood work and will post as soon as I get them. What can I do temporarily to help the drive??

I'm so freaking confused.

[chickenstirfry]

I'll let the experts chime in but I would say get him on some Anastrozole a.s.a.p! Not sure if I can post where to buy it from here, but this website has sponsors that sell it in liquid form. Top right hand corner... it's called Liquidex

[khardy]

Where can we get him HCG to take?? You have NO idea how much I feel for him.... It makes me so upset when I think about how much our intimate life has changed but it makes me more sad to think of how he must feel.... he said he feels like just a shell without any desire. I want him to be back to normal and to feel like the man he is!!

[chickenstirfry]

As GD has said above, HCG will only increase his estrogen levels even more at this point. Estrogen needs to come down. Anastrozole does this nicely. Your a fantastic lady for standing by him through this and making sure he gets help!

[largerthannormal]

He needs to do a HCG blast, it is going to be the only thing that has the power to stimulate the gonads to produce on their own. nothing else will help alone, on top of this he may still want to run a standard nolva/clomid protocol. HCG is believe is going to be around 500IU ed.

I respectively disagree with this; if his E2 is evelvated as stated it must be controlled first as any additional increase in androgen levels will simply be synthesized into Estradiol.

We need blood work first and foremost.

i didnt mean like right now, i meant after he has controlled the estrogen, in order to stimulate natural production if he can, but couldnt he take an AI along side? depending on blood work of course?

[MickeyKnox]

My issue with him now is that he REFUSES to take anymore testosterone injections and really has no desire to go back to the endo doctor because they said they can't do anymore for him. they took him off the clomid a few months ago because she was satisfied that his testosterone levels were up to 250..... So after 3,000 worth of blood work, clomid and more blood work they said there wasn't anything else they could do and wanted to start him on depression stuff (he said hell no because he's truly not depressed). Ugggghhhhh!! I have called his doctor to get his current blood work and will post as soon as I get them. What can I do temporarily to help the drive??

I'm so freaking confused.

Nothing until you post up bloodwork. Anything beyond this is simply a guess and may worsen your fiance's symptoms.

[largerthannormal]

agreed, blood work first!!! and sorry I didnt mean HCG as of yet.... it may be part of the protocol after the experts take a peek, i just seen this work in the past. and for me as well... still need to control the sides first.

[chickenstirfry]

Nothing until you post up bloodwork. Anything beyond this is simply a guess and may worsen your fiance's symptoms.

Would it stand to reason that since he has come off cycle and there is no mention of him taking any AI's that his estro is most probably up there? I totally agree with you he needs bloodwork to be sure of anything, but if thats gonna take a while, perhaps getting straight on some Anastrozole could help curb what is most likely high estro symptoms as quick as possible. It must be hell for the poor guy and his girl.

[khardy]

Thank you!! I love him and want him to be whole again....

[khardy]

He did take 50mg of clomid for 6 weeks but id didn't do anything.

[MickeyKnox]

He did take 50mg of clomid for 6 weeks but id didn't do anything.

Khardy,

Clomid is NOT an AI. Just follow Gdevine's advice and you'll be a lot happier. Trust me.

[chickenstirfry]

Clomid will not do anything to reduce would is potentially a lot of estrogen running around in your fiance's bloodstream. Anastrozole will. But as stated above you really should get his testosterone and estradiol (e2) blood levels tested ASAP. Thats the only way to know for sure. When you have that... you know exactly how to help him.

[steroid.com 1]

Everything here is just speculation till we get blood work (see the sticky at the top forum on Finding a TRT Doc you will see what you need).

He's got two problems:

1. He's HPTA suppressed and needs to be restarted correctly.
2. He's probably estrogen dominate right now and that needs to corrected.

Nothing can be done till blood work. Throwing anything in now can and will make matters worse.

Why not have him join in the discussion here so we can talk to him directly.

To put you at ease, his condition is very common for what he went through and it can be corrected easily.

Or, find an Anti Aging Doctor who works with men...they will fix him quick.

Just know, this will not get better on it's own so he needs the right care.