Bumped up my Trt dose????

[blacktoppete]

I bumped up my Trt dose from 50mgs 2x a wk to 200mgs 2x a wk. Its only been a lil over a week and my nipples are soar. Is this possible? I finally got some adex, How much and how often should i take it? Thank you for your help.

[MickeyKnox]

Thats not TRT anymore, that's a cycle.

And yes you would need to include an AI at those levels of exogenous testosterone - and hCG if you want to prevent testicular atrophy. Start with a standard protocol of .25mg EOD and titrate up or down from there based on felt and observed sides, unless youre having bloods done soon.

[clarkster]

MickeyKnox is right. That's a cycle. Are you bumping your dose for TRT purposes or are you running a cycle?

[blacktoppete]

MickeyKnox is right. That's a cycle. Are you bumping your dose for TRT purposes or are you running a cycle?

Running a small blast and then back down to my TRT. Adex at .25eod or 2x a week

[clarkster]

OK. How long are you planning this blast? Were you using hCG in your TRT?

[blacktoppete]

OK. How long are you planning this blast? Were you using hCG in your TRT?

10 weeks and then back to my trt. No hcg cant find a trt doc in the area to write a script for it. I am 45 and on Trt for life. I raised the test and within a week my nipples started getting sore

[HRTstudent]

400 mg of Testosterone per week will undoubtedly lead to more aromatization. It is certainly no mystery as to why your nipples are getting sore...

I'd have to ask why are you bothering to throw your body into such flux willingly?

[blacktoppete]

400 mg of Testosterone per week will undoubtedly lead to more aromatization. It is certainly no mystery as to why your nipples are getting sore...

I'd have to ask why are you bothering to throw your body into such flux willingly?

That's a tuff question to answer,the only truthful response would be I love the juice.So would you say .25eod or 2x a week of the Adex?

[Vettester]

You may need to go up to 3x per week during the blast. It just depends on how your body metabolizes. The nipple sensitivity should calm down after a few days, once your increased serum levels stabilize, but if needed, a minimal dose of 10mg/day for a few days of Nolvadex will calm the receptor sites. Hopefully, you've had a handle on your E2 prior to going into the blast, and you have an idea where your body is at, and how it responds to increasing the testosterone , thus the higher conversion downstream.

[MickeyKnox]

10 weeks and then back to my trt. No hcg cant find a trt doc in the area to write a script for it. I am 45 and on Trt for life. I raised the test and within a week my nipples started getting sore

hCG is not that difficult to find, actually. If you do a quick search you'll likely find a reputable website you can safely purchase it from. Good luck with your blast!

Incidentally, Im 47 and on TRT for life - welcome to the club my friend.

[zaggahamma]

agree with vette

what are you goals from the blast? just a bump in T, no other compounds? how long have you been on trt and what did you accomplish on just that?

[blacktoppete]

You may need to go up to 3x per week during the blast. It just depends on how your body metabolizes. The nipple sensitivity should calm down after a few days, once your increased serum levels stabilize, but if needed, a minimal dose of 10mg/day for a few days of Nolvadex will calm the receptor sites. Hopefully, you've had a handle on your E2 prior to going into the blast, and you have an idea where your body is at, and how it responds to increasing the testosterone, thus the higher conversion downstream.

Thank you for the sound advice.

[blacktoppete]

hCG is not that difficult to find, actually. If you do a quick search you'll likely find a reputable website you can safely purchase it from. Good luck with your blast!

Incidentally, Im 47 and on TRT for life - welcome to the club my friend.

Thank you, I will run a search.

[blacktoppete]

agree with vette

what are you goals from the blast? just a bump in T, no other compounds? how long have you been on trt and what did you accomplish on just that?

I have been on Trt for 5yrs,best thing i ever started. Increased my sex drive,energy level and overall out look on life. My goals for this blast are a lil size and strength. Would like to add say 50lbs to my deadlift and squat. I want to see how this blast goes, if all goes well i have some Deca and Var to add into my next blast.

[JimmySidewalk]

Isn't in all in your mind ? the sensitive nipps i mean. Some think they get some kind of side effects just because they read somewhere about them
I honestly doubt you get sore nipples from 400mg of test and need an A.I.
I can easily go to 1g of test without any A.I. and don't get gyno signs, none at all.

I mean there are enough people on TRT on 250-300mgs that have no ideea what an A.I. is and they are just fine.

[kelkel]

Jimmy I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. It's not in his mind. E follows T. The more T injected the more your E will rise. It's a simple fact of aromatization. Also, everyones sensitivity in the nip area is different. My E runs steady at around 16 yet my nips are sensitive. Some people are just more prone to that. And when it comes to 1 gram of test. Each person only has so much aromatase enzyme within them. It does not increase proportionally to the amount of T injected. After a certain point there just is no more enzyme so how much T you inject past that point is moot.

You may be able to go with one gram of test without an AI but you're missing the point. Most side effects of high estrogen are internal and not seen, not external. Gyno is only one indicator and if that is the only method used to monitor estrogen then you're putting your health at risk, IMHO. Yes, there are people on 250 to 300 mgs per week, which is not really TRT at that point as they'll have supraphysiologic T levels in most cases unless they are a hyper-metabolizer. Those people are in the hands of uninformed doctors as best who are putting their patients at risk of serious health problems later in life.

Take a look at this Jim:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/...ng-Male_01.htm

Hope it helps. Don't take it for granted just cause you don't get gyno signs. Some people just don't no matter how much they take. The far more serious sides of high E are again, internal not external.

Kel

[zaggahamma]

I have been on Trt for 5yrs,best thing i ever started. Increased my sex drive,energy level and overall out look on life. My goals for this blast are a lil size and strength. Would like to add say 50lbs to my deadlift and squat. I want to see how this blast goes, if all goes well i have some Deca and Var to add into my next blast.

hefty goals with just test alone imho

having seen countless posts about trt and blasts...simply upping your test dose doesnt play out when we did test only cycles back in the day

please update i would like to be proven wrong and also look forward to your deca var addition

best of luck

[zaggahamma]

rereading i see 50lbs added strength on those 2 lifts...for some reason, waking up from my nap i though u wanted to add 50lbs of lbm....lol

i still subscribe to test only blasts not as effective and wish u well with your blast

[blacktoppete]

rereading i see 50lbs added strength on those 2 lifts...for some reason, waking up from my nap i though u wanted to add 50lbs of lbm....lol

i still subscribe to test only blasts not as effective and wish u well with your blast

I will def keep you guys posted on the blast and my goals. Hopefully all goes well with this blast,so i can plan out the next. I have been doing alot of reading and learning from this site,Thank God for this site and its members with so much knowledge.

[Vettester]

I have been on Trt for 5yrs,best thing i ever started. Increased my sex drive,energy level and overall out look on life. My goals for this blast are a lil size and strength. Would like to add say 50lbs to my deadlift and squat. I want to see how this blast goes, if all goes well i have some Deca and Var to add into my next blast.

It's good to have a goal, and I'm betting you will achieve it!! Just stay on top of your diet and make sure you have adequate protein. Also make sure you don't short yourself with the vitamins and other needed supplements. We can discuss this further if you feel you need some help. When you get ready for the deca , let's talk. I've had it added into my program several times, and there's some definite "do's and don'ts" to think about. It can be a great complimenting compound when stacked properly, but it can go against you like any Nor19 will if you don't plan it properly. I did one full cycle of Anavar at 50mg/day, and really started to notice the results at about the 4th or 5th week. My problem, as with others, is that it can really hit the liver pretty good, even though it's noted as a very mild oral. My ALT's and AST's hit the 80's while on it, and my BP really started climbing. For that, I won't take the oral Anavar anymore, but might look at Liquid Anavar in the future.

[blacktoppete]

It's good to have a goal, and I'm betting you will achieve it!! Just stay on top of your diet and make sure you have adequate protein. Also make sure you don't short yourself with the vitamins and other needed supplements. We can discuss this further if you feel you need some help. When you get ready for the deca, let's talk. I've had it added into my program several times, and there's some definite "do's and don'ts" to think about. It can be a great complimenting compound when stacked properly, but it can go against you like any Nor19 will if you don't plan it properly. I did one full cycle of Anavar at 50mg/day, and really started to notice the results at about the 4th or 5th week. My problem, as with others, is that it can really hit the liver pretty good, even though it's noted as a very mild oral. My ALT's and AST's hit the 80's while on it, and my BP really started climbing. For that, I won't take the oral Anavar anymore, but might look at Liquid Anavar in the future.

Thanks Vette for the support and advice. I also am concerned about my Bp Rbc and liver. I am going to monitor it closely. I ck Bp everyday and donate blood on a regular basis.

[JimmySidewalk]

Jimmy I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. It's not in his mind. E follows T. The more T injected the more your E will rise. It's a simple fact of aromatization. Also, everyones sensitivity in the nip area is different. My E runs steady at around 16 yet my nips are sensitive. Some people are just more prone to that. And when it comes to 1 gram of test. Each person only has so much aromatase enzyme within them. It does not increase proportionally to the amount of T injected. After a certain point there just is no more enzyme so how much T you inject past that point is moot.

You may be able to go with one gram of test without an AI but you're missing the point. Most side effects of high estrogen are internal and not seen, not external. Gyno is only one indicator and if that is the only method used to monitor estrogen then you're putting your health at risk, IMHO. Yes, there are people on 250 to 300 mgs per week, which is not really TRT at that point as they'll have supraphysiologic T levels in most cases unless they are a hyper-metabolizer. Those people are in the hands of uninformed doctors as best who are putting their patients at risk of serious health problems later in life.

Take a look at this Jim:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/...ng-Male_01.htm

Hope it helps. Don't take it for granted just cause you don't get gyno signs. Some people just don't no matter how much they take. The far more serious sides of high E are again, internal not external.

Kel

I see. Very interesting. I never had gyno signs so, i never bothered. I even took 1750mgs of test with only 10-20mg tamox on cycle. Never had an issue even after coming off considering tamox is not an A.I. and thus estrogen build-up.

I will look more into this. I find it interesting.

[kelkel]

Jimmy glad to help man. Like I said, some people can do a truck-load of aas and never have an issue. Others on TRT doses can have gyno issues. We are all different so please don't use gyno as the barometer. Much, much more going on inside of us. Think long-term health with it. I'd bet you would have been amazed at your E2 level if you'd have run a sensitive estrogen assay during that cycle.

kel

[fit2bOld]

Jimmy glad to help man. Like I said, some people can do a truck-load of aas and never have an issue. Others on TRT doses can have gyno issues. We are all different so please don't use gyno as the barometer. Much, much more going on inside of us. Think long-term health with it. I'd bet you would have been amazed at your E2 level if you'd have run a sensitive estrogen assay during that cycle.

kel

Have to agree totally with Kel on this, my estrogen goes up just looking at a bottle of test and I have to take quite a bit of anastrozle to control it. Very individual issue.

[HRTstudent]

Jimmy I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. It's not in his mind. E follows T. The more T injected the more your E will rise. It's a simple fact of aromatization. Also, everyones sensitivity in the nip area is different. My E runs steady at around 16 yet my nips are sensitive. Some people are just more prone to that. And when it comes to 1 gram of test. Each person only has so much aromatase enzyme within them. It does not increase proportionally to the amount of T injected. After a certain point there just is no more enzyme so how much T you inject past that point is moot.

You may be able to go with one gram of test without an AI but you're missing the point. Most side effects of high estrogen are internal and not seen, not external. Gyno is only one indicator and if that is the only method used to monitor estrogen then you're putting your health at risk, IMHO. Yes, there are people on 250 to 300 mgs per week, which is not really TRT at that point as they'll have supraphysiologic T levels in most cases unless they are a hyper-metabolizer. Those people are in the hands of uninformed doctors as best who are putting their patients at risk of serious health problems later in life.

Take a look at this Jim:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/...ng-Male_01.htm

Hope it helps. Don't take it for granted just cause you don't get gyno signs. Some people just don't no matter how much they take. The far more serious sides of high E are again, internal not external.

Kel

Good post! Very true...