Post Clomid BW. Why does my body hate me?

[asiandudexxx]

SHBG 145.8 nmol/L (ref range 20 - 49y: 16.5 - 55.9, >49y: 19.3 - 76.4) [Up from initially 59.4 nmol/L]
Testosterone,Free 53.0 pg/mL (ref range Adult Males: 52-280 pg/mL) [Down from 210.7 pg/mL post hcg]
Testosterone,Total 1061 ng/dL (ref range Adult Males>18 348-1197 ng/dL)
Estradiol 15 pg/mL (ref range Adult Male <41) [From a low of <12 pg/mL](NOT sensitive)
LH 7.8 mIU/mL (ref range 5.0-25.0 mIU/mL)
Prolactin 6.17 ng/mL (ref range 2.64-13.13 ng/mL)

Clomid worked marvelously, but the sides were too much for me and it doesn't seem to matter since my SHBG keeps rising.

After 1 month on armour:
Reverse T3 20 ng/dL (ref range 11-32 ng/dL) (went up from 6 ng/dL)
Free T4 Automated 1.1 ng/dL (ref range 0.8-1.6 ng/dL)
T4, Total 5.9 mcg/dL (ref range 4.9-11.4 mcg/dL)

t3 came back astronomically high because I forgot to stop taking my thyroid medication before the test. Took a repeat test so hopefully those numbers come back better.


IGF-1 212 ng/mL (ref range 83-456 ng/mL) [down from 279 ng/mL]
IGFBP-3 6.0 mg/L (ref range 3.4-7.8 mg/L)

Thinking of pursuing tesamorelin+ghrp-2. Wouldn't mind IGF-1LR3 for the gains as well but that is another story.

What say you seasoned folks? I want to pursue a temporary high test cyp treatment to lower my SHBG (got the idea from a veteran poster on Crisler's forum). Also, I have been taking vit d3 10,000 iu daily and that doesn't seem to be helping my SHBG...

[Blitz777]

This may not be a complete fix, but the OTC supp. Mucuna Pruriens lowers SHBG. I'd recommed 400mg EOD at first in conjuntion with a quality vit. B6 supp.

[asiandudexxx]

Thanks, I'm gonna look into that. I have also heard stinging nettle root is good stuff. Just not sure if they will make a big enough difference since my SHBG is so ridiculously high (higher than I've seen on anyone else's BW). It's sad too because it looks like my body produces high test when given physiological levels of stimulation, but it can't bind to exert its effects.

Anyone else have any opinions? Hoping my doc helps me with a good treatment protocol. Not sure what he will allow since my Test production itself is more than optimal.

[Blitz777]

Apologies if I missed it, but what was that exact protocol that yielded the results you posted?

[asiandudexxx]

Apologies if I missed it, but what was that exact protocol that yielded the results you posted?

I started off with Low T (167 ng/dL total), Low LH (1.2), high SHBG (79.4).

hCG stim test for 1 month: T shot up (1700 ng/dL), higher SHBG (110.1). Since my Total T was so high, free T was still upper 1/3rd of the reference range.

Clomid stim test for 2 week: T settled (1000 ng/dL), mid range LH (7.8), even higher SHBG (145.8).

The only time I had elevated e2 was during hCG stim, but I was given adex and e2 fell back to 15 pg/mL and SHBG still rose. So it's not e2 causing it. Also can't be hyperthyroid since I had hypothyroid prior to therapy and still had high SHBG.

[asiandudexxx]

I know clomid also raises SHBG, but I didn't know it would by this much.

[Blitz777]

IGF1-LR3 nor any other exogenous IGF-1 will give you the "gains" they claim to deliver. In fact, they are counterproductive as you do NOT want to increase circulating IGF-1 levels. What you need is local production.

[asiandudexxx]

IGF1-LR3 nor any other exogenous IGF-1 will give you the "gains" they claim to deliver. In fact, they are counterproductive as you do NOT want to increase circulating IGF-1 levels. What you need is local production.

Thanks for the info. I read that GH/IGF-1 also lower SHBG, but I doubt I can get a prescription for HGH. For IGF-1LR3 I would plan to inject IM after workouts so the IGF-1 can be taken up directly by the muscle. Problem with that is I am not sure this administration of IGF-1 would really affect my SHBG levels, so it'd just be for aesthetic goals.

But I'm only considering things like that AFTER I fix everything else. I'm sure I'd get much more of a health and physique benefit that way.

[Blitz777]

Thanks for the info. I read that GH/IGF-1 also lower SHBG, but I doubt I can get a prescription for HGH. For IGF-1LR3 I would plan to inject IM after workouts so the IGF-1 can be taken up directly by the muscle. Problem with that is I am not sure this administration of IGF-1 would really affect my SHBG levels, so it'd just be for aesthetic goals.

But I'm only considering things like that AFTER I fix everything else. I'm sure I'd get much more of a health and physique benefit that way.

What you just outlined is the standard oversimplification made when considering IGF1-LR3. Just because you inject in to the muscle worked doesn't mean it will take effect locally. If that's what you desire look in to MGF and a micro-dosing protocol.