DHEA/ Progesterone

**nyjetsfan** · 02-10-2013, 09:16 AM

Hi guys: Finally got additional Lab results and will see doc Tuesday. Along with low T3/T4 Which you guys helped me with, I got results back for DHEA Sulfate (118) and Progesterone (0.2). I am going to talk about possibly adding HCG to the TRT mix for progesterone and 50 MG of DHEA. please let me know your thoughts. Labs included. Thx

**jasondd1** · 02-10-2013, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by nyjetsfan

Hi guys: Finally got additional Lab results and will see doc Tuesday. Along with low T3/T4 Which you guys helped me with, I got results back for DHEA Sulfate (118) and Progesterone (0.2). I am going to talk about possibly adding HCG to the TRT mix for progesterone and 50 MG of DHEA. please let me know your thoughts. Labs included. Thx

I'm curious what your estradiol sensitive is. Also how is your sleep? When my progesterone is that low I cant sleep. My doc added progesterone to my compounding cream and it works like a charm. I did not realize HCG could raise progesterone.

**nyjetsfan** · 02-10-2013, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by jasondd1

I'm curious what your estradiol sensitive is. Also how is your sleep? When my progesterone is that low I cant sleep. My doc added progesterone to my compounding cream and it works like a charm. I did not realize HCG could raise progesterone.

Took estradiol serum only (28). Sleep sucks for a while now. Glad your doc saw you needed some progesterone and included it in your protocol. I have a feeling that not having adequate Progesterone and DHEA affected my thyroid in some way inhibiting t4/T3 conversion. From what I understand HCG will help increase progesterone production. Not too sure about DHEA levels though. Anyone?

**steroid.com 1** · 02-10-2013, 05:42 PM

All men on a TRT protocol are best served back filling their pathways with supplemental Pregnenlone and DHEA. Get it in the micronized form and take 50 mg of each every morning.

You are HPTA suppressed so HCG is a must have even on a transdermal.

**nyjetsfan** · 02-10-2013, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by gdevine

All men on a TRT protocol are best served back filling their pathways with supplemental Pregnenlone and DHEA. Get it in the micronized form and take 50 mg of each every morning.

You are HPTA suppressed so HCG is a must have even on a transdermal.

Gdevine! Just read through your entire thread on HCG ! Man you know your shit and are an extremely valuable resource here! Yes I will be shooting for the HCG protocol after that thread for sure. I will also start with the preg and dhea support at 50 mg every morning. Wish I knew this a while back when starting TRT but still learning new stuff every day. Thanks again bro!

**shorty09** · 02-11-2013, 05:59 AM

gdevine im curious is to witch type of dhea would be suitable for this protocol as i have 7 keto at home im also looking into preg cream as my progesterone was low on my last BW ..thanks

**steroid.com 1** · 02-11-2013, 01:06 PM

7 keto DHEA is not DHEA.

Just get them both in a micronized form and you will be fine.

**shorty09** · 02-20-2013, 11:19 AM

thanks for that much helped i jus read your trt post ill get that sorted out asap feel fatiuged as hell!

**Black** · 02-20-2013, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by gdevine

7 keto DHEA is not DHEA.

Just get them both in a micronized form and you will be fine.

Can this be purchased OTC or does it need a prescription? Just curious before I start hunting. I know my clinic offers it, but it's pricey.

**steroid.com 1** · 02-20-2013, 01:35 PM

It's OTC. Try to get it in a miconized form. Most good sup shops sell it.

**kelkel** · 02-20-2013, 01:45 PM

I'll chime in that both GD and I have tried preg-dhea creams with miserable results as a result of poor absorption. Switching to OTC micronized made a big difference for me. My DHEA rose by 150 points quickly.

**HRTstudent** · 02-20-2013, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by nyjetsfan

Hi guys: Finally got additional Lab results and will see doc Tuesday. Along with low T3/T4 Which you guys helped me with, I got results back for DHEA Sulfate (118) and Progesterone (0.2). I am going to talk about possibly adding HCG to the TRT mix for progesterone and 50 MG of DHEA. please let me know your thoughts. Labs included. Thx

Pregnenolone in sufficiently high doses can increase progesterone, although I would monitor it vigilantly to make sure it's not too high.

If you take DHEA, make sure it's micronized for increased absorption. MRM brand worked to bring my levels way up at just 25mg with breakfast.

I don't know why you don't mention this though... your ferritin is dismal! This is much more profound to me than your DHEA or thinking about HCG . This suggests what might be a poor diet and certainly a diet deficient in iron or something preventing iron. Ferritin is very important for healthy thyroid function. I would have to wonder what other vitamin and mineral deficits are present.

**nyjetsfan** · 02-20-2013, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by HRTstudent

Pregnenolone in sufficiently high doses can increase progesterone, although I would monitor it vigilantly to make sure it's not too high.

If you take DHEA, make sure it's micronized for increased absorption. MRM brand worked to bring my levels way up at just 25mg with breakfast.

I don't know why you don't mention this though... your ferritin is dismal! This is much more profound to me than your DHEA or thinking about HCG. This suggests what might be a poor diet and certainly a diet deficient in iron or something preventing iron. Ferritin is very important for healthy thyroid function. I would have to wonder what other vitamin and mineral deficits are present.

Good eye! Yes- most people hypothyroid have low iron. This is due (I'm told) to lack of hydrochloride acid to digest iron properly. Trying to get my adrenals and thyroid in check and keeping an eye on ferritin. Believe it or not its gone up about 7 points since Armour thyroid was added. For me I need to feed my adrenals and this will help thyroid.

**HRTstudent** · 02-20-2013, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by nyjetsfan

Good eye! Yes- most people hypothyroid have low iron. This is due (I'm told) to lack of hydrochloride acid to digest iron properly. Trying to get my adrenals and thyroid in check and keeping an eye on ferritin. Believe it or not its gone up about 7 points since Armour thyroid was added. For me I need to feed my adrenals and this will help thyroid.

Keep in mind thyroid is a messenger, telling your cells what to do. But without iron, they cannot carry out their signals. At such a low level of iron, you are almost surely inhibiting the benefits of the thyroid meds to some degree (I would guess a large degree at that).

If you could afford it, I'd recommend a spectracell analysis to find out just what kind of nutrient deficiencies you currently have.

Thyroid is also heavily dependent on B vitamins and vitamin A. At the very least, I would get a b12 and folate, and a vitamin A blood test. These are typically covered by insurance as well.