The Experts on "Restarting" the HPTA Axis

[Nate02]

Hi everyone: I am on TRT right now, but I don't know if I will be for life. I think it is a fix until I find out what is wrong, assuming I do. My point being, there is a good chance at some point I will attempt to restore my HPTA Axis's function. I have done plenty of research, but I feel as if it is a very gray area. I am sure all of us could benefit from a good thread addressing this topic. Please moderators, share with us your knowledge.

[MuscleInk]

Hi everyone: I am on TRT right now, but I don't know if I will be for life. I think it is a fix until I find out what is wrong, assuming I do. My point being, there is a good chance at some point I will attempt to restore my HPTA Axis's function. I have done plenty of research, but I feel as if it is a very gray area. I am sure all of us could benefit from a good thread addressing this topic. Please moderators, share with us your knowledge.

If you're 20 and on HRT/TRT has the etiology of your low T been diagnosed and what is your current serum T that prompted this treatment plan?

[leather daddy]

have a read here mate

Yep the PoWeR PCT program was written by an endo it is basically as described:
HCG 2500 IU/EOD x 16days
clomiphene citrate 50 mg take orally twice a day x 30days
tamoxifen 20 mg by mouth once a day x 45days

http://www.medibolics.com/ScallyVergelAstractHPGA.pdf

[MuscleInk]

have a read here mate

Yep the PoWeR PCT program was written by an endo it is basically as described:
HCG 2500 IU/EOD x 16days
clomiphene citrate 50 mg take orally twice a day x 30days
tamoxifen 20 mg by mouth once a day x 45days

http://www.medibolics.com/ScallyVergelAstractHPGA.pdf

This is a small, single study of 19 HEALTHY males with normal HTPA functioning before an androgen induced cycle. The authors have simply shown that an HCG regimen followed by PCT will restore HTPA functioning to normal parameters.

OP is claiming he is on HRT for LOW T. This is a pathological condition with an idiopathic etiology at present. The study you have referenced does not provide an effective methodology to restore HTPA function in individuals diagnosed with low T.

[leather daddy]

This is a small, single study of 19 HEALTHY males with normal HTPA functioning before an androgen induced cycle. The authors have simply shown that an HCG regimen followed by PCT will restore HTPA functioning to normal parameters.

OP is claiming he is on HRT for LOW T. This is a pathological condition with an idiopathic etiology at present. The study you have referenced does not provide an effective methodology to restore HTPA function in individuals diagnosed with low T.

yup i understand that, but i know of 2 people who have been helped by the guy who linked me that that were on HRT for LOW t that did a similar protocol, using high doses of HCG that restarted there HPTA and natty test

[MuscleInk]

yup i understand that, but i know of 2 people who have been helped by the guy who linked me that that were on HRT for LOW t that did a similar protocol, using high doses of HCG that restarted there HPTA and natty test

Again, results will vary according to etiology of low T. If we are talking a pituitary adenocarcenomia (extreme case), the proposed protocol wouldn't be effective. If its an LH or leydig cell issue, perhaps, however the mechanism of action of HCG is not the exact same as LH so again, there's no guarantee it would work and for how long if the underlying pathology remains unresolved.

[leather daddy]

that is true, wortha try tho, altho with the use of HMG also it may be worth a shot!
but we dont know if the OPS cause was due to steroids or not.

[MuscleInk]

that is true, wortha try tho, altho with the use of HMG also it may be worth a shot!
but we dont know if the OPS cause was due to steroids or not.

HMG as in Menotropin? It stimulates LH and FSH, usually to assist with fertility issues.

Yes, I agree, causality should be established to recommend a clinical plan although in many cases low T is low T for life.

[marcus300]

Surely your endo would of tried everything possible to restart your HPTA before putting you on trt, you go on trt because your hpta isnt functioning properly so if it cant function correctly before trt what are the chances of restarting when you have been on trt and you have shut down any kind of natural test you had?? nil to zero IMHO

[Nate02]

If you're 20 and on HRT/TRT has the etiology of your low T been diagnosed and what is your current serum T that prompted this treatment plan?

Well you can look at my thread: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ing-Blood-Work

Nobody is really sure what is happening to me. I have hypothyroidism, hypogonadism, and now adrenal fatigue. I don't know if I posted my adrenal blood work in the thread, but if you'd like I can post it here.

Surely your endo would of tried everything possible to restart your HPTA before putting you on trt, you go on trt because your hpta isnt functioning properly so if it cant function correctly before trt what are the chances of restarting when you have been on trt and you have shut down any kind of natural test you had?? nil to zero IMHO

Nope. Didn't try to restart my HPTA before trying TRT. I am asking in case we find out what is wrong with me. Maybe once we do, my HPTA axis will have the potential to function normally, assuming I am off TRT.