Extreme depression

[ali.jones]

Guys, I am sure this is because of my low test levels, some times I go on extreme depression mood for no reason for days. Also i am having no energy at all at the moment, not even motivated to go to gym, Just wanna know if this is cuz of low test levels, have anyone faced this issue? Views please

[rollingthunder]

depression is one of the symptoms of low T. have you had a blood test to check your hormone levels?

[MickeyKnox]

Guys, I am sure this is because of my low test levels, some times I go on extreme depression mood for no reason for days. Also i am having no energy at all at the moment, not even motivated to go to gym, Just wanna know if this is cuz of low test levels, have anyone faced this issue? Views please

Could be Andropause. Or it could be something entirely different. Current bloodwork will tell the tale of the tape.

Heres a short piece from a much longer article. See if any of this is familiar..

In men

Low testosterone can be identified through a simple blood test performed by a laboratory, ordered by a physician. This test is typically ordered in the morning hours, when levels are highest, as levels can drop by as much as 13% during the day.[7]

Normal total testosterone levels range from 300 - 1000 ng/dL[8]

Treatment is often prescribed for total testosterone levels below 350 ng/dL.[9] If the serum total testosterone level is between 230 and 350 ng/dL, repeating the measurement of total testosterone with sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) to calculate free testosterone or free testosterone by equilibrium dialysis may be helpful.

Treatment may be necessary even if the patient's total testosterone level is within the "normal" range. The standard range given is based off widely varying ages and, given that testosterone levels naturally decrease as humans age, age-group specific averages should be taken into consideration when discussing treatment between doctor and patient.[10] A twenty-seven year old male with a testosterone level of 380 ng/dL would be in the "normal" range, but would likely have low testosterone to blame if he experiences some or many of the above symptoms. This score would put him in the bottom 5% of his age-group, but would be a more common score for a man who is 80+ years old.[10]

The symptoms of male menopause:

Irritable Male Syndrome
Weight gain
Sleep apnea
Memory loss
Diminished libido
Hair Loss
Erectile dysfunction
Hot Flashes
Muscle loss
Depression
Fatigue
Night Sweats in Men
Gynecomastia (male breasts)

[Papa Smurf]

^ x2 If you have Low Test, TRT will change your life..............FOR THE BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[likelifting]

When was your last cycle?

[HRTstudent]

depression is certainly multifaceted.

It could be caused by or a cause for low testosterone.

I would say that if you are severely depressed then you owe it to yourself to talk to a professional. A person on a forum is no replacement for a trained professional who can more adequately treat really tough depression.

[redz]

Only way to know for sure is a blood test.

[ali.jones]

Thanks for the reply guys,


Mickey:

Weight gain : yes
Sleep apnea : sometimes
Memory loss : memory I very bad now
Diminished libido: drop dead most of the time, some times it's just normal
Hair Loss: no
Erectile dysfunction: yes
Hot Flashes: rare
Muscle loss: yes
Depression: extreme
Fatigue: very extreme, I m tired and destroyed always
Night Sweats in Men: yes my legs

Last BW couple of months ago, doctor said my test levels are NORMAL and ED is normal too because every one faces ED at some stage of their lives,

See the attached

[MickeyKnox]

I would recommend you see Wellness/Life Extension doc if you can. Your T values aren't scary, i tested 6.9 on that scale...and my doc said i was ok lol! I know, ridiculous eh?

But 23nmol/l really isnt really that low, unless you're 19 or 20 years old. However you may have other contributing factors like HRT Student suggested. A full blood panel will certainly give you a solid snapshot of where you are hormonally speaking. If you decide to get bloodwork done, please checkout the sticky up top for a list of the major hormones to have checked.

I assume youre in Canada (or UK, Aussieland) with that reference scale?

[Rusty11]

depression is certainly multifaceted.

It could be caused by or a cause for low testosterone.

I would say that if you are severely depressed then you owe it to yourself to talk to a professional. A person on a forum is no replacement for a trained professional who can more adequately treat really tough depression.

As usual, HRT hits the nail on the head. I completely agree with this. It may or may not have to do with low T. Good luck to you.

[steroid.com 1]

What Redz said; need a comprehensive blood work done including E2 Senstive assay, complete Thyroid and hormonal panel done.

Need to see Free and/or Bioavailable Testosterone and Cortisol as well...adrenal fatigue can cause much of what you are describing as well.

There are so may conditions that can cause your symptoms that without comprehensive blood work everything is just conjecture.

[ali.jones]

Mickey, I am 31 and I am in Australia, if my test levels are fine then may be my E is high which can be fixed just running an AI. ?

Gdevine, Mickey: I am not sure if can go for BW here without a docs reference. But I will for sure find out a way (doc or without doc) as I see a hope in life with testosterone and TRT.



<sad jones>

[MickeyKnox]

Mickey, I am 31 and I am in Australia, if my test levels are fine then may be my E is high which can be fixed just running an AI. ?

Gdevine, Mickey: I am not sure if can go for BW here without a docs reference. But I will for sure find out a way (doc or without doc) as I see a hope in life with testosterone and TRT.



<sad jones>

That would only be determined with blood work.

And yes, TRT is an amazing alternative to suffering with Andropause. There is hope my friend - hang in there and stay positive.

[ali.jones]

That would only be determined with blood work.

And yes, TRT is an amazing alternative to suffering with Andropause. There is hope my friend - hang in there and stay positive.

Thanks Mickey


<sad jones>

[Grappler13]

Don't stay there too long. Depression can become your new reality untreated. There's no shame in getting some help.

[sirmike]

I lived it for 2 years tired all day at work would come home lock my self in my bedroom in the dark ... I found out after my brother who is 10 years older went to dr about low t .. So I went ... I was at a little over 250 serum
Just today after starting therapy I'm at 1100 working out 2x a day I'm more active and I don't want to be in my room unless I'm .......well I'm sure u get the point .. It's worth a shot ... No pun intended

[ali.jones]

Don't stay there too long. Depression can become your new reality untreated. There's no shame in getting some help.

I lived it for 2 years tired all day at work would come home lock my self in my bedroom in the dark ... I found out after my brother who is 10 years older went to dr about low t .. So I went ... I was at a little over 250 serum
Just today after starting therapy I'm at 1100 working out 2x a day I'm more active and I don't want to be in my room unless I'm .......well I'm sure u get the point .. It's worth a shot ... No pun intended

No shame for this off course , just finding it hard to find help, got a number of urologist and will ring tomorrow to book an appointment , as All my GPs are unable to help

<Sad Jones>

[ali.jones]

I wanna die now

I went to see my new doctor today, he is useless too, so i decided to ring urologist, but the most sad part is, I rang urologist after getting disappointed from this doctor and they said they are the only urologist in this area and they are fully booked whole this month. Are you serious? This means I got a whole PAINFUL month of march ahead of me (if i dont commit a suicide) The other sad thing is I gotta pay $283 from my pocket to just to see a urologist.
sux I m gonna cry blood now

<Sad Jones>

[flyrs]

It might be a bad idea but maybe you should just do a cycle...it would at least give you something to do for awhile...something to try, I have no idea how it'll go though if you do.

[ctenosaura]

Here's an idea, only because you seem seriously desperate and cant get help, and I hate to say this, but until you find a doc who can treat you why don't you self medicate with testosterone and HCG. This might just help you get through this tough time until you can get professional medical help.

[ctenosaura]

It might be a bad idea but maybe you should just do a cycle...it would at least give you something to do for awhile...something to try, I have no idea how it'll go though if you do.

Lol, we were thinking the same thing at the same time, I just took 20 minutes to finish my post because I was watching a show on tv

[ali.jones]

It might be a bad idea but maybe you should just do a cycle...it would at least give you something to do for awhile...something to try, I have no idea how it'll go though if you do.

Here's an idea, only because you seem seriously desperate and cant get help, and I hate to say this, but until you find a doc who can treat you why don't you self medicate with testosterone and HCG. This might just help you get through this tough time until you can get professional medical help.

Then how am I gonna know what is causing the problem of low test and ED, it can only be just high Estrogen, if I start cycle then I will have to go off, run PCT and then wait for it longer to clean myself before I go for my BLood test.

I am just foked.

<Sad Jones>

[flyrs]

Maybe another bad idea but if you truly thought high estrogen was the problem and wanted to risk that you could be wrong you could take an AI for a bit and find out...our sponsor at the top right corner ar-r has an AI available...I don't know if they ship to AUS.

[ali.jones]

Maybe another bad idea but if you truly thought high estrogen was the problem and wanted to risk that you could be wrong you could take an AI for a bit and find out...our sponsor at the top right corner ar-r has an AI available...I don't know if they ship to AUS.

Hi, yes they do ship to Australia, I already have Adex, fair amount, about 60 tabs (1mg) but the problem is, I don't wanna experiment things and destroy myself. Using TEST might be a good idea before I get some help? But then I will have to clean myself up before blood test? I was thinking to foke all the cnts doctors and do it myself, there are heaps of things coming into my head at the moment. I don't know what to do,

<Sad Jones>

[DanMan250]

Your testosterone levels are not low. They are good for even a young man. You need to have more tests done. Depression can be caused by many things.

[ali.jones]

Your testosterone levels are not low. They are good for even a young man. You need to have more tests done. Depression can be caused by many things.

What about my erectile dysfunction ??

<Sad Jones>

[dan76]

Ali.jones,

You just gotta hang in there mate, I know where your coming from I have an appointment with the urologist at the end of this month as after a ultra sound there may be a problem with one of my nuts. I am only 36 and have had all the tests done and t levels are at 7.3 and 5.8, normal prolactin and all that. You just got to nut it out and don't give in, i just keep telling myself i have been living with this a couple of years now whats another couple of weeks. Hopefully you and i can both find relief soon


Dan

[ali.jones]

Ali.jones,

You just gotta hang in there mate, I know where your coming from I have an appointment with the urologist at the end of this month as after a ultra sound there may be a problem with one of my nuts. I am only 36 and have had all the tests done and t levels are at 7.3 and 5.8, normal prolactin and all that. You just got to nut it out and don't give in, i just keep telling myself i have been living with this a couple of years now whats another couple of weeks. Hopefully you and i can both find relief soon

Dan

I hope so . I hope so.

<Sad Jones>

[edmundo22]

Hey man low testosterone is probably the least common cause of depression, I seriously doubt all these people living in mental institutions suffer from low test, here's whats working wonders for me, l-tyrosine to increase dopamine, 5-htp for sertaonin, take L-caritine to boost energy and omega fish oil 3 times daily, the l-tyrosine and the fish oil are probably the main things you need.

This is coming from someone whos been prescribed every pharmaceutical known to man, up until a month ago I would have completely dismissed supplements as hippy bullshit, cheap and all available from your local health food store.

Best of luck.

[ctenosaura]

Hey man low testosterone is probably the least common cause of depression, I seriously doubt all these people living in mental institutions suffer from low test, here's whats working wonders for me, l-tyrosine to increase dopamine, 5-htp for sertaonin, take L-caritine to boost energy and omega fish oil 3 times daily, the l-tyrosine and the fish oil are probably the main things you need.

This is coming from someone whos been prescribed every pharmaceutical known to man, up until a month ago I would have completely dismissed supplements as hippy bullshit, cheap and all available from your local health food store.

Best of luck.

True, my daughter suffered from depression and it wasn't because she was low on Test. It's most likely a chemicle imbalance and may be a prescribing psychologist should be sought out also

[sirmike]

Did u find dr

[crazy mike]

I didn't catch how old you are. I have been bi-polar my whole life and a serious case. My depression didn't surface until I was 26 yrs old and it put me in the hospital. Depression is caused by many underlying things that sometimes are not evident to us but a doctor might see. Even if you have never had any mental health issues it doesn't mean you don't have some now. Please see a doctor about it. WE are only guessing on this board and don't have and will not get all the info we need to make a suggestion except go to a professional. That my education and my experience talking. ...crazy mike

[edmundo22]

Just make sure its a good doctor that will run full tests to find some sort of physical deficency that could be causing it first, with depression most docs just start prescribing Pharmacuticals based on nothing other then trial and error.

[ctenosaura]

I didn't catch how old you are. I have been bi-polar my whole life and a serious case. My depression didn't surface until I was 26 yrs old and it put me in the hospital. Depression is caused by many underlying things that sometimes are not evident to us but a doctor might see. Even if you have never had any mental health issues it doesn't mean you don't have some now. Please see a doctor about it. WE are only guessing on this board and don't have and will not get all the info we need to make a suggestion except go to a professional. That my education and my experience talking. ...crazy mike

Listen to this guy. It sounds like he's ben through it. Mike, would you suggest a psychologist or psychiatrist for this guy first, then explore the hormone thing?

[edmundo22]

Yeah I been through it too trust me.

Psychcologists deal with emotional problems past trumas, psychiatrists deal with mental health disorders, Iv had more help from supplements then 5 years of all the above proffessionals but thats just me, so yeah a general doctor and your own judgement.

[crazy mike]

Listen to this guy. It sounds like he's ben through it. Mike, would you suggest a psychologist or psychiatrist for this guy first, then explore the hormone thing?

So many factors. So many questions. Yes I do seek psychiatrist no psychologist. And yes again they will want to trial and error you with some meds. But you have to be willing and honest with yourself with what ever may be contributing to the depression. I've been through the gammot with all kinds of meds. A hostof many to just a few and not everyone need the same dose or type or any for that matter. But the questions start with seeing a professional. They will get to something maybe and a little trial if you and he/she agree is not a bad way to go. Use your own body reactions to tell you what to continue with or with out. If I were not for Prozac and a few other stabilizers I use, I tell you the truth. I would not be here today and there might probably be some others that would not have made it through my wrath that's not good to say but true. If I stop my Prozac my wife will tell you and mew first before I notice anything. So it's different we all know that, but you must start somewhere. Depression can be a killer, down right dangerous killer. Both on the suicidal and the homicidal front. If any substances are involved then I would pay more attention to what is going on and what I should do and how quick. Most all anti-depressants carry unwanted sides. Some intense and some not. But they might be worth it for a good life. Seek some help and be honest, is this just a passing ? if not then get on with it so you can get on with living. Hang in there and do the right thing for yourself and others because depressiioon will affect others. ...crazy mike

[ali.jones]

I don't need mental or emotional treatment, I have already tried that, waste of time and money.

I am depressed because I have erectile dysfunction.

Weight gain : yes
Sleep apnea : sometimes
Memory loss : memory is really bad now
Diminished libido: drop dead most of the time, some times it's just normal
Hair Loss: no
Erectile dysfunction: yes
Hot Flashes: rare
Muscle loss: yes
Depression: extreme
Fatigue: very extreme, I m tired and destroyed always
Night Sweats in Men: yes my legs

I am depressed because I love the girl I am with and don't wanna lose her. I am depressed because I fail to have sex many times. I am depressed because I don't have a cent of energy to go to gym, I am depressed because its foking my life up. I need medical treatment not emotional bullcrap ,

<Sad Jones>

[ali.jones]

You wanna know more reasons???

Have just one urology clinic in this area and they are fully booked whole this month,

Medical labs here don't do blood test without doctors advise,

I am getting foked from every where

<Sad Jones>

[edmundo22]

Ok so your depression / unhappiness is being caused my actual real life problems so its not clinical / chemical, that's a really good thing, (example you could be living in a mansion surrounded with playboy models and still wanna jump of a bridge)

Your obviously aware to relieve your depression you need to resolve the issues that are getting you down, TRT may well be of benefit to you, get the blood work and find a good doctor that will work with you, you said your in either Oz or NZ and problems getting blood test?

Don't understand that find another GP and say hey I gotta a lot of symptoms that could well be related to andropause and I want blood work done, I did the same here in Ireland because I insisted.

And in the mean time as your depression isn't chemical I think running a trial of supplements could have tremendous benefits for you, you got nothing to loose by the sounds of thing's.

Want more energy?, L-caritine works great sends acatholine chemical messages to your muscles to work better.

Low libido?, nuero chemicals play a crucial role, dopamine = sexual pleasure, desire, seratonin = the emotional aspect making love etc.

Memory problems? dopamine is also essential for critical thinking, memory it doesn't just make us feel good and will be further boosted with omega 3 fish oil.

Take L-tyrosine for dopamine and 5-htp for seratonin.

And for a healthy functioning mind overall I can't stress how essential omega 3 fish oil is.

This is just advice.

Best of luck dude.

[crazy mike]

I don't need mental or emotional treatment, I have already tried that, waste of time and money.

I am depressed because I have erectile dysfunction.

Weight gain : yes
Sleep apnea : sometimes
Memory loss : memory is really bad now
Diminished libido: drop dead most of the time, some times it's just normal
Hair Loss: no
Erectile dysfunction: yes
Hot Flashes: rare
Muscle loss: yes
Depression: extreme
Fatigue: very extreme, I m tired and destroyed always
Night Sweats in Men: yes my legs

I am depressed because I love the girl I am with and don't wanna lose her. I am depressed because I fail to have sex many times. I am depressed because I don't have a cent of energy to go to gym, I am depressed because its foking my life up. I need medical treatment not emotional bullcrap ,

<Sad Jones>

So sorry my friend, if I wasted my time and yours with my suggestion, but do to my missing the point ( not reading) or you not telling us I didn't get this information. By the way if you had the problem I mentioned the info I gave isn't bull crap Best of luck I know these guys can help with some information. ... crazy old mike