Slacking

[MRNJ1992]

Since going back on HRT protocol I have absolutely no drive to train and am extremely run down. Anyone get this way from HRT?

[austinite]

Since going back on HRT protocol I have absolutely no drive to train and am extremely run down. Anyone get this way from HRT?

The opposite actually. Have you had any recent bloodwork done? If so, can you post it?

What is your protocol? Any AI, HCG , DHEA, Pregnenolone?

[MRNJ1992]

Heres my protocol...Test E 2x's a week, HCG 2x's a week day before T and Anostrozole 2x a week the day after T shot. Micronized DHEA 50 mgs a day

[MRNJ1992]

from nov 21.2012



Lh 0.1 RANGE 1.7-8.6

fsh 0.4 RANGE 1.5-12.4
serum test 344 RANGE 348-1197

free t 5.9 RANGE 6.8-21.5

dht 78 RANGE 30-85

tsh 0.005 RANGE 0.450-4.500
prolactin 7.7 RANGE 4.0-15.2
estradiol
roche eclia
methodologY 30.8 RANGE 7.6-42.6
igf-1 220 RANGE 59-201
shbg 25.5 RANGE 16.5-55.9
any thoughts? My protocol is test e 2x a week plus hcg 2x a week. Test dose each time is 60 mgs. Doc wants me to up the dose by double......

[ironbeck]

I feel your dilemma i have been there many times, sometimes a change in gyms or try training using calisthenics and body weight exercises at the park or some sort of nature setting, this is a natural and mainly 95 mental response to monotony. I would invest in some new head phones/ with some new play list.

[MRNJ1992]

Thanks iron-all feedback is good....

[Trific]

Heres my protocol...Test E 2x's a week, HCG 2x's a week day before T and Anostrozole 2x a week the day after T shot. Micronized DHEA 50 mgs a day

How long have you been on 120mg of test per week?

[MRNJ1992]

few months

[MRNJ1992]

Doctor wants me to double the dose-have in the past but I immediately blow up.. Not looking for that. Been there done that many moons ago.Not to mention I had a thyroidectomy in 1993....

[LT75]

How much Anostrozole are you taking? Most people on TRT don't hardly need much of a AI. Maybe your E level has crashed which would cause those symptoms.

[MRNJ1992]

.5 twice a week

[MRNJ1992]

You might have hit the nail on the head. Just punched in signs of low estrogen....Maybe I'll back off the AI for a few weeks and see what happens.

[austinite]

few months

Surely this bloodwork is prior to your treatment. Which makes sense. After 3 months would be a good time to get panels done again. I'd be curious to know what;s going on now. Those results you have posted are certainly not what they would look like today.

Why would the doc ask to up the dose without seeing your results after 3 months of treatment? Simply based on your complaint? 120/week is a very good dose. This might be an issue you can fix with something as simple as B12. But again, I'm very curious to see current bloodwork.

[LT75]

Where those tests done before you went back on TRT? I know people on cycles taking Anostrozole at .5 EOD(1.5 a week) while taking 4 times the amount of test your doing. You need some updated bloodwork done to see your current numbers.

[LT75]

Sorry Austinite didn't know you replied right before me. Agree blood work is needed to see.

[MRNJ1992]

Just got bloodwork back. Results are vit D 48.4 scale 30-100, 5-a-Dihydrotestosterone 318.0 scale 106.0-719.0, T3 147 scale 58-159, DHEA 91.9 scale 10-619, Estradiol [6] 10, Testosterone total 182.5 scale 249-836, psa 0.66 scale 0.0-4.0, IGF -1 170 scale 66-296, Free T 19.87 scale 4.6-15.3, Cholesterol 193, triglycerides 74 scale < 150, TSH 0.0018 scale 0.35-4.94 LH, FSH,Progesterone all in range. Any comments welcomed.

[MRNJ1992]

This bloodwork was a few months prior to the november 2012 BW

[MRNJ1992]

This is why the doc wanted the dose doubled....Just put up the prior bw as well

[MRNJ1992]

Did you see the prior levels? with that protocol my T levels went from 182 to 344 which is still low

[Trific]

Did you see the prior levels? with that protocol my T levels went from 182 to 344 which is still low

I'm curious on how you are pinning test....SQ or IM?

[MRNJ1992]

pinning IM

[Trific]

pinning IM

Well crap, that's not it....thinking I'd probably guess you might be one of those that do need more so I might try 100mg twice/week
and HCG @ 250iu MWF and AI @ .25mg twice/week and then check BW 6 weeks after changes...

[Trific]

Doctor wants me to double the dose-have in the past but I immediately blow up.. Not looking for that. Been there done that many moons ago.Not to mention I had a thyroidectomy in 1993....

Could you explain more by what you mean....that you immediately blow up when you double the dose?

[MRNJ1992]

when I started HRT about 2 years ago, the dose was 1 cc per week. I gained alot of water. Then the protocol was changed with the addition of a AI. There was a 3 month or so ago time frame that I was off-urologist took me off. Said my levels were high. Swithched me to Andro-felt nothing. My ENT put me back on Test E and here we are again. Too much Test makes me blow up. Less is more.

[Rusty11]

You might have hit the nail on the head. Just punched in signs of low estrogen....Maybe I'll back off the AI for a few weeks and see what happens.

Man, I really hope this is not another case of too much ai crashing your e2. I can't believe how common this is around here. Hope you get things worked out soon.