8 week blood work question

[tripperdogg]

My protocol as of 8 weeks into my treatment,.25 ml 2 times a weeks sub q. Nothing else has been perscribed to me,though I'm requesting hcg for dull ache in testes.I havent got my peak bw back yet ,but my trough [low before next shot] was total test 421, spec 344-1150 labcorp and e2 sensitive was 23, spec labcorp 0-70. i think.Question is when using sub q method twice a week is this total test typical or low for injections every 3 1/2 days. seems low to me, 77 points from lowest spec range. My other question is what do I do about it ? How much do I increase my dosage. I guess I also need to see my peak number before I panic, but at 3 1/2 day intervals my total probably isnt alot higher. At least e2 looks good.thanks

[Trific]

We need to know how many milligrams (mg) you are getting of test. What is the concentration of your test, maybe 250mg/mL or is it 200mg/mL?

[steroid.com 1]

E2 does look good but can't tell till you answer Trific's question.

Post your blood here in this thread complete with ranges and we'll jump in.

Get on HCG as soon as you can.

What were you diagnosed with before you started your protocol? Primary? Secondary?

[tripperdogg]

I'm sorry, its 200 mg/ml. I'm old, 49, hypogonadal. primary.As far as blood work goes. The doc just wanted total test numbers, I asked to add the e2 sensitive test. Labcorp specs for e2 sensitive are 3-70.thanks

[kelkel]

Trip I don't recall you speaking about being primary (testicular failure) before. Are you sure it wasn't secondary? I would want my test a bit higher as well but it all depends on how you feel. You're not a number. There really is not much of a peak/trough on your protocol. Remember, E follows T so it's a balancing act. If you can up your Test slightly, feel better and still keep your E in range then you win! And yes to the HCG ! Even if primary it will benefit you as there are LH receptors throughout the body, not just in the testicals.

[tripperdogg]

Doc never actually gave me a diagnosis. Just the usual getting old and the boys producing less. No other reason causing the low numbers. I still feel alittle sluggish,but at least no more brain fog.Should I try a slight increase,from .25ml to .35ml or more ? Will call the Doc back next week and ask about hcg again .

[tripperdogg]

Do you think I should switch to IM twice a week ?

[Trific]

Just adding HCG might be enough of a bump to your test level to make you happy. It does that for some.

[kelkel]

Yes. You should be on HCG . At least 250 IU's twice per week. As Trific said, it will help improve your T level as well as other neurological benefits.

[tripperdogg]

Well I finally got my peak report. My peak was 433 testosterone ,serum with a range of 348-1197 labcorp, estradiol sensitive was 10, ref range 3-70. Not much difference from my trough.I havent heard anything from my doc yet. Still nothing back on HCG either. I wonder if I am one of those guys that doesnt do well with subq. My dosage is the usual protocal as stated above. Maybe the addition of HCG would bring me up into the 700's on total. I feel better than when I was in the high 200's but I would like to see if I feel more energetic with a higher total test number.I guess I'll wait and see what the doc says.

[Trific]

I'd want the test and the E2 both higher...I don't know if switching to IM will do it or if you are going to need more than 100mg of test per week, we don't know yet if you are having a problem getting the test by subq, maybe you should only IM the test until you are dialed in.

HCG ?

[tripperdogg]

That's a good point, Trific. Maybe I should go IM at least until my numbers look better. Still waiting for Doc to get back with me. Thanks

[tripperdogg]

Just talked to my doc. He wants to double my dosage and retest in 2 weeks. He still doesnt think I need hcg yet, but i'm being persistent.