Doctor's opinion on HCG (gdevine opinion?)

So I asked my doctor about HCG and she said it really isn't needed as long as your total testosterone does not exceed the range, as excess testosterone would cause a shutdown (or hpta suppression). For example, on a 240-1048 range, if you kept it around 700-900, you wouldn't shut down because it's technically not excess testosterone. Also for the fact that you would be running an AI would reduce estrogen, which is a cause of HPTA suppression.

So basically, Test cyp keeping testosterone within a safe range at 700-900, and an AI to reduce estrogen, would not suppress HPTA, you would not shutdown natural production, and you therefore would not need HCG.

Any opinions on this?

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Originally Posted by Leon621

So I asked my doctor about HCG and she said it really isn't needed as long as your total testosterone does not exceed the range, as excess testosterone would cause a shutdown (or hpta suppression). For example, on a 240-1048 range, if you kept it around 700-900, you wouldn't shut down because it's technically not excess testosterone. Also for the fact that you would be running an AI would reduce estrogen, which is a cause of HPTA suppression.

So basically, Test cyp keeping testosterone within a safe range at 700-900, and an AI to reduce estrogen, would not suppress HPTA, you would not shutdown natural production, and you therefore would not need HCG.

Any opinions on this?

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Seems logical the way she explained it but were talking about exogenous testosterone here NOT endogenous testosterone and therein lies the difference...a huge difference in fact!

Exogenous testosterone administration does not even come close to mimicking the diurnal pattern of testosterone release in the body nor how it is regulated and that my dear friend is where she is getting it wrong.

I can tell you first hand, I probably run near 900 pg/ml for total testosterone on average and that's below the top of the reference range and I am totally 100% shut down as reflected in my LH//FSH labs.

HPTA suppresses when exogenous testosterone is introduced into the body, plain and simple.

Don't believe me? Make sure to get LH/FSH labs on your next draw to validate or see if your testes start to ache and get smaller...then you'll know for sure;)

You inject testosterone, you are suppressed. It's that simple!

Now, whether or not you need or would benefit from HCG is a totally different scenario.

I am further living proof she is wrong. I'm at 775 - 800 on total T and am 100% shut down.

Every now and then I get to say this:



She does not have testicals! Find a doc who does.

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Originally Posted by kelkel

Every now and then I get to say this:



She does not have testicals! Find a doc who does.

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And it never gets old

Hey GD, my FH LH were both in the normal range with 2,to 4 pumps of androgel, i still have shrinkage tho

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Originally Posted by kelkel

Every now and then I get to say this:



She does not have testicals! Find a doc who does.

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You can bet your bottom dollar if it had something to do with tits she would take it more serious! I stopped with all female doctors. They keep throwing around the word juicehead too much for my taste