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    crashfirepm53 is offline Associate Member
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    BW results opinions needed

    Below are my BW results. Lab used was Solstas. About me 42, on HRT 200mg Cyp. wkly. Complaints general fatigue and feel crappy, little to no sex drive however no issues performing and i'm emotional and unable to watch any movies that tug on your heart.lol.
    Labs drawn on day 3-4 after 200mg cyp.

    My metabolic panel came back all within normal range(can add if needed)

    Estimated GFR 87 non African American (mild impairment)

    Total test -712.40 range 300-890
    Free Testosterone %- 3.4 HIGH range 1.6-2.9
    Free Testosterone- 242 range 47-244
    SHBG-11 LOW range 13-71
    TSH- 1.933 range .350-4.500
    Free T-4- 1.07 range .80-1.80
    Free T-3-3.5 range 2.3-4.2
    Estradiol- 53.3 HIGH range(men) 0.0-39.0
    FSH- 0.3 LOW range 1.4-18.1
    LH-0.1 low range 1.5-9.3
    Prolactin- 6.2 range 2.1-17.1
    PSA .65 range <=4.00
    DHEA-154 range 61-1636
    Somatomedin C IGF-1- 201 range 55-213

    Basically(if I remember correctly) my pituitary gland isn't sending the signal to my testicles to produce hormone. I asked if this is what HCG can correct and he said no. HCG doesn't affect that.(his opinion).
    Estradiol was high but he wasn't for using Nolvadex cause we(he) doesn't want other issues starting up. I said I feel crappy so I'm ok with trying a low dose AI to lower the Estradiol. In fairness, he said he will research and call me within a week.
    In the end, there is nothing that he feels can be done to make me feel better hormone wise. I do think he is open minded and will consider out of the box treatments will the right documentation.
    Thoughts??
    I have HCG but I didn't want to start it until after my BW. I plan on starting a Dbol , Test Sust 250mg wkly, Test Cyp 200mg wkly cycle and add Tren Ace at week 5.
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    Anybody? 117 views and no thoughts??? Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by crashfirepm53 View Post
    Below are my BW results. Lab used was Solstas. About me 42, on HRT 200mg Cyp. wkly. Complaints general fatigue and feel crappy, little to no sex drive however no issues performing and i'm emotional and unable to watch any movies that tug on your heart.lol.
    Labs drawn on day 3-4 after 200mg cyp.

    My metabolic panel came back all within normal range(can add if needed)

    Estimated GFR 87 non African American (mild impairment)

    Total test -712.40 range 300-890
    Free Testosterone %- 3.4 HIGH range 1.6-2.9
    Free Testosterone- 242 range 47-244
    SHBG-11 LOW range 13-71
    TSH- 1.933 range .350-4.500
    Free T-4- 1.07 range .80-1.80
    Free T-3-3.5 range 2.3-4.2
    Estradiol- 53.3 HIGH range(men) 0.0-39.0
    FSH- 0.3 LOW range 1.4-18.1
    LH-0.1 low range 1.5-9.3
    Prolactin- 6.2 range 2.1-17.1
    PSA .65 range <=4.00
    DHEA-154 range 61-1636
    Somatomedin C IGF-1- 201 range 55-213

    Basically(if I remember correctly) my pituitary gland isn't sending the signal to my testicles to produce hormone. I asked if this is what HCG can correct and he said no. HCG doesn't affect that.(his opinion).
    Estradiol was high but he wasn't for using Nolvadex cause we(he) doesn't want other issues starting up. I said I feel crappy so I'm ok with trying a low dose AI to lower the Estradiol. In fairness, he said he will research and call me within a week.
    In the end, there is nothing that he feels can be done to make me feel better hormone wise. I do think he is open minded and will consider out of the box treatments will the right documentation.
    Thoughts??
    I have HCG but I didn't want to start it until after my BW. I plan on starting a Dbol, Test Sust 250mg wkly, Test Cyp 200mg wkly cycle and add Tren Ace at week 5.
    You are shut down read sticky on HCG and get started. Very low dose of Ai your not that far out of range.
    Do not even think about adding anything else till you get dialed in your a long way off.

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    Seriously you aren`t even dialed into your protocol and you want to add 3 more aas! We are on trt to feel good, it sounds like you want to as well. Get your protocol dialed in before you even thibk about adding more aas!
    As ^ said, add hcg and maybe arimidex twice a week at .25mg. I doubt.that labs sensitive estradiol so its hard for us to give great advice. You couls probably supplement with soke dhea, micronized slow release 25mg twice a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jomamma007 View Post
    Seriously you aren`t even dialed into your protocol and you want to add 3 more aas! We are on trt to feel good, it sounds like you want to as well. Get your protocol dialed in before you even thibk about adding more aas!
    As ^ said, add hcg and maybe arimidex twice a week at .25mg. I doubt.that labs sensitive estradiol so its hard for us to give great advice. You couls probably supplement with soke dhea, micronized slow release 25mg twice a day.
    I havent started the HCG because I wanted to make sure my labs were finished and my doc said that HCG wont help my issue. So I posted here for answers, I just didnt get any until today.
    I am on a Letrozole at .25 per day. I know it is strong so I have started at lower doses of .10 and after a few days I increase based on how I feel. Other than the first 2 days that I dosed.40 and .30. That is when I felt incredible but on the lower doses Im back to feeling like crap again.
    My doc wasnt for hcg or an AI but said he'd research it and call me by the end of the week. I did print off the threads here concerning the two for him to evaluate. If he doesnt prescribe I'll do it on my own.
    The estradiol is male sensitive and it is printed on the bw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crashfirepm53 View Post
    I havent started the HCG because I wanted to make sure my labs were finished and my doc said that HCG wont help my issue. So I posted here for answers, I just didnt get any until today.
    I am on a Letrozole at .25 per day. I know it is strong so I have started at lower doses of .10 and after a few days I increase based on how I feel. Other than the first 2 days that I dosed.40 and .30. That is when I felt incredible but on the lower doses Im back to feeling like crap again.
    My doc wasnt for hcg or an AI but said he'd research it and call me by the end of the week. I did print off the threads here concerning the two for him to evaluate. If he doesnt prescribe I'll do it on my own.
    The estradiol is male sensitive and it is printed on the bw.
    You are shut down so hcg will help no doubt. I would try 12.5 for a week or two letrozole is very strong see how you feel take it slow joints start hurting back it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 100% View Post
    You are shut down so hcg will help no doubt. I would try 12.5 for a week or two letrozole is very strong see how you feel take it slow joints start hurting back it off.
    Will do. I just ordered Bactiostatic water so HCG will start in a few days.
    Question. The site I ordered from sells bact. water, bacteriostatic sodium chloride, bact. Sterile water and sterile water.
    Does it matter as long as it is bacteriostatic?

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    Print out or email the Stickies on HCG and Estradiol to your Doctor.

    You know he doesn't understand TRT for men and you could be on a slippery slope with this cat.

    Other than elevated E2 you don't look bad.

    Thyroid looks good as well.

    You need HCG; read the sticky if you haven't.

    A low dose AI will bring your E2 in line in short order.

    Once E2 is near the 20's you'll feel better. Also HCG acts on the peripheral and this will give you a nice sense of well being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdevine View Post
    Print out or email the Stickies on HCG and Estradiol to your Doctor.

    You know he doesn't understand TRT for men and you could be on a slippery slope with this cat.

    Other than elevated E2 you don't look bad.

    Thyroid looks good as well.

    You need HCG; read the sticky if you haven't.

    A low dose AI will bring your E2 in line in short order.

    Once E2 is near the 20's you'll feel better. Also HCG acts on the peripheral and this will give you a nice sense of well being.
    I did provide those to him and hopefully he will take the information and apply it to my treatment.
    I am currently on the Letro and the first two doses after .40, I felt incredible. I lowered the dose and working my way up slowly to hopefully regain that feeling.
    Ive had (have) a light testicular ache for some time but it became normal for it so I kinda blocked it out. But after reading the stickys on hcg, my nuts really are bothering me.
    Ill post info as I get it.

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    once you add in hcg , your tt will rise as well, however your e2 will also go up so you definitely need to continue the ai. I'm surprised your e2 is so high on a high dose of let....correct me if im wrong but isnt .25 every day a lot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerlifterty16 View Post
    once you add in hcg, your tt will rise as well, however your e2 will also go up so you definitely need to continue the ai. I'm surprised your e2 is so high on a high dose of let....correct me if im wrong but isnt .25 every day a lot?
    Most say start at .10 and that works for many but it hasnt for me. Even at .25 I'm very emotional. I will raise it based on general feeling, emotions, and erection issues if they occur but im going up slowly so I don't expect any.

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