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05-11-2013, 02:54 PM #1Junior Member
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Building muscle on TRT vs building muscle on cycle?
My question to everyone is this....
I have been on TRT for almost a year now and have made some impressive gains in that time period. My protocol is 100 mgs per week. I work out 2 times per week whole body each time with weights. My body is sore for 2 days after working out, so on 3rd day I am able to workout again.....here comes the question part....
If I were to "blast" for 8 weeks (after reading on this site, I am much more comfortable in the correct way to do this), what makes the gains increase? Is it that you can workout more often? If the intensity of my workouts stay the same (they are pretty intense !) would gains still come? Or is it because on blast, I would be able to lift heavier, therefore breaking down more muscle?
BASICALLY.....what makes you gain more muscle on cycle as opposed to TRT levels?
Thanks in advance.
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05-11-2013, 04:28 PM #2New Member
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Of course you will make bigger gains on a cycle, increasing your test levels to super human levels will always lead to bigger lean mass gains. More test = enhanced protein synthesis therefore more gains.
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05-11-2013, 04:52 PM #3Junior Member
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Ok, so is this accomplished if I keep on the same lifting program I am on now? So when I break down muscle tissue, does it just build it back bigger while on cycle than if it was just normal TRT levels? This is what confuses me? Or does being on cycle allow for more weight to be lifted , therefore breaking down more tissue in the process.... That is where the mystery is to me. Thanks for the reply.
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05-11-2013, 05:11 PM #4
When talking about partitioning of calories, researchers refer to something called the P-ratio. Essentially, it represents the amount of protein that is either gained (or lost) during over (or under) feeding. So a low P-ratio when dieting would mean you used very little protein and a lot of fat. A high P-ratio would mean that you used a lot of protein and very little fat. It looks like, for the most part, P-ratio is more or less the same for a given individual; as I mentioned above, they will gain about same amount of muscle when they overfeed as they lose when they diet. This is yet another example of the body’s attempts to maintain itself at a ‘normal’ level.
So what controls P-ratio. As depressing as this is, the majority of of the P-ratio is out of our control; it’s mostly genetic. We can control, maybe 15-20% of it with how we eat or train. Supraphysiological amounts of certain compounds (supplements) and, of course, drugs, can also affect the P-ratio.
So what are the main determinants of calorie partitioning? Obviously, hormones are crucially important. High testosterone levels tend to have positive paritioning effects (more muscle, less fat) while chronically high levels of cortisol have the opposite effect (less muscle, more fat). Thyroid and nervous system activity affect not only metabolic rate but also fat burning; optimized thyroid and nervous system levels mean better fat burning, which means less muscle loss when you diet. It also means less fat gain when you overeat. Unfortunately, levels of these hormones are basically ‘set’ by our genetics; the only way to change them significantly is with supplements or drugs. Beyond that, there’s not a whole lot we can do to control them.
Note: This is an excerpt from The Ultimate Diet 2.0.Lyle McDonald
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05-11-2013, 05:37 PM #5New Member
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If your lifting program is working for you now and you are making solid gains then why change anything? You will gain lean mass on a cycle no matter what you do as long as your nutrition is 100% dialled in. Training on a cycle shouldnt be any different than training natural apart from volume ( i imagine you could handle more with high test levels ) as long as it is consistent and your making progress. I have never done a cycle so I am purely basing my comments on the basic knowledge of what high levels of testosterone will do to the body and the basics of weight training in general...
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