bunk hcg or not enough?

**Joseph956** · 06-21-2013, 09:43 AM

I had to self medicate on the hcg since my uro wouldn't put me on it..

I ordered from what seems was a reputable online pharmacy and reconstituted 5,000 iu with 2ml bac water.

I've been injected 250iu 3x week for 2 weeks (at least) now but my testicles are still hurting.. and the size really hasn't grown and they're not hanging like they used to.

Should i up my dosage to 300iu on my 3rd dose Saturday? or..

**kelkel** · 06-21-2013, 10:42 AM

They should respond to 250. You may try another site to order from and compare.

**Java Man** · 06-21-2013, 10:52 AM

Yep agree. You should be producing sperm and hanging low by now. Try some other source.

**Joseph956** · 06-21-2013, 11:25 AM

thanks guys, I think what I might do (since others have had good experience with this place) is try it one more time but a different brand..

don't know why I strayed from Corion..

**100%** · 06-21-2013, 11:43 AM

Go pick up a pregnancy test and test it.

**Joseph956** · 06-21-2013, 11:56 AM

just for discussions sake.. what should I do if it turns out to be real? up my dosage?

I'll report back after I check it during my lunch..

**100%** · 06-21-2013, 12:03 PM

Yeah bump it up to 500iu wont hurt.

**bluskiblacdeth** · 06-21-2013, 12:42 PM

This is what scares me about ordering online. I currently have my compounding pharmacy order it for me since no one else in town can get it. $230 for 10000iu is hard to swallow when I see it online for $40-$80 for 5000iu.

**bethdoth** · 06-21-2013, 01:51 PM

From what I understand you need to really use a lot of your HCG (2ml's) to get a good solid test. When I mix I use 2ml's of water so I am wasting one whole vial! Maybe just let the boys determine if it is real or not.

**Joseph956** · 06-21-2013, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by rhoag

From what I understand you need to really use a lot of your HCG (2ml's) to get a good solid test. When I mix I use 2ml's of water so I am wasting one whole vial!

Not sure I understand you here.. I heard that you only needed a few drops in water to determine whether you have good HCG or not?

You just need to make sure and get the pregnancy test nice and drenched..

Maybe just let the boys determine if it is real or not.

that's the issue I'm having.. boys are still aching after 2 weeks of 250iu after 3x a week

**Rusty11** · 06-21-2013, 03:06 PM

A couple of comments...primary or secondary will deternine if hcg is going to do its thing.
It's a bit fragile, so hopefully you mixed it carefully and slowly, and refrigerated immediately after. I'm not saying it can't be bunk, but I've never read about hcg being faked. However, I have read where guys have mis-handled it. Not saying you did, just throwing it out there. At your dose, you should be feeling something. I've ordered from various places and it's always been good.

**Rusty11** · 06-21-2013, 03:12 PM

Btw, I would just do what kel said.

**100%** · 06-21-2013, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Joseph956

Not sure I understand you here.. I heard that you only needed a few drops in water to determine whether you have good HCG or not?

that's the issue I'm having.. boys are still aching after 2 weeks of 250iu after 3x a week

Aching is a good indication that it is working this happens as they grow and shrink.

**Joseph956** · 06-21-2013, 03:31 PM

I really hope I didn't mess it up but I guess I wouldn't be able to tell if I did now.. it wasn't cloudy or anything but I did have the bac water rush in when I poked into the stopper,

made sure it wasn't cloudy and then I just rolled it inbetween my hands like I've seen done and then put it in the fridge after injecting..

**2Sox** · 06-21-2013, 03:33 PM

Joseph,

I'd suggest you up the dose to 250iu ED for awhile. It wouldn't hurt. A pregnancy test would work but you have to look very carefully because at the dilution we use, the color is very light. I've used a test and the colored strip changed but very, very little. But you know the old saying, There's no such thing as "a little pregnant."

And by the way, if you ordered from safemeds4all.com, just call them and tell them you're having issues with the product. They are very serious about their reputation. But before you call, you should be absolutely certain it's the product, not you.

I agree with Rusty; from my experience and the short time I've been using it, I've never had issues with hCG ordered overseas.

**KOArtist** · 06-21-2013, 04:11 PM

I've heard from some very knowledgable folks that the pregnancy test doesn't usually work unless you use a ridiculous amount, so don't base your judgment on that.

**2Sox** · 06-21-2013, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by KOArtist

I've heard from some very knowledgable folks that the pregnancy test doesn't usually work unless you use a ridiculous amount, so don't base your judgment on that.

As I said, no one can be "a little pregnant". It either works or it doesn't.
I dilute my hCG at 2mL/5000iu. I draw 0.1mL (250iu) and put it into a little plastic dish. I put the strip inside as per directions and wait. The strip turns very slightly colored. I'm satisfied. But as KO implies, don't believe anything if you're not satisfied.

**Joseph956** · 06-21-2013, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by 2Sox

Joseph,

I'd suggest you up the dose to 250iu ED for awhile.

Until I start to feel the boys hanging lower or?

And by the way, if you ordered from safemeds4all.com, just call them and tell them you're having issues with the product. They are very serious about their reputation. But before you call, you should be absolutely certain it's the product, not you.

I'll give them a call, they have been really helpful so far.. thanks!

**highpsi** · 08-16-2013, 02:00 AM

Did you ever get resolution with them? I bought some cheap hcg strips for the hell of it and tested what was left of my 1st bottle. No reaction, it was about 3 weeks old, always in the fridge. New stuff I just mixed from another place shows hcg. I might mix another bottle and test it fresh.

**bass** · 08-16-2013, 08:57 AM

bases on my experience online hCG is very week.

***LowT Mike*** · 08-16-2013, 09:22 AM

Guys...Go get a prescription and do it right.. Or save money and get spinal meningitis from some guy in Moldova making HCG in his bathtub. It happens more than you think

**2Sox** · 08-16-2013, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by LowT Mike

Guys...Go get a prescription and do it right.. Or save money and get spinal meningitis from some guy in Moldova making HCG in his bathtub. It happens more than you think

Mike,
What pharmaceutical company manufactures the hCG you adminsiter to LowT patients? I'm curious.

I hear ya. IMO most here would prefer a legit script. But with the knucklehead doctors we have, it's not going to happen anytime soon. Ordering hCG from overseas has nothing to do with saving money.

**highpsi** · 08-16-2013, 11:42 AM

I'll ask the new doctor if she'll do it, the last one acted like I was retarded for asking for it.

***LowT Mike*** · 08-16-2013, 02:25 PM

We use excellent compounding pharmacies. I hear ya 2Sox. Another great reason to join LOWT. We are still 5-8 years from doctors actually learning and educating themselves on TRT. Our medical system is broken bigtime

**2Sox** · 08-16-2013, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by LowT Mike

We use excellent compounding pharmacies. I hear ya 2Sox. Another great reason to join LOWT. We are still 5-8 years from doctors actually learning and educating themselves on TRT. Our medical system is broken bigtime

I completely agree.

I'd consider joining LowT down the line if things changed with my provider.

Regarding these compounding pharmacies you speak of and hCG : This stuff has to be highly purified. I can't see them doing this in the back room. Where does the hCG that they release to patients originate? I'd like to know where my medications come from. Can you give us the name of the pharmaceutical manufacturer or manufacturers?. As I said previously, I'm very curious.

**powerlifterty16** · 08-16-2013, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by LowT Mike

We use excellent compounding pharmacies. I hear ya 2Sox. Another great reason to join LOWT. We are still 5-8 years from doctors actually learning and educating themselves on TRT. Our medical system is broken bigtime

mike i really wishyou guys would accept pa patients again..i may consider you guys.

**highpsi** · 08-16-2013, 09:08 PM

Is there a way to spot fake hcg ? The boxes and bottles of corion I have look pretty good.

**powerlifterty16** · 08-16-2013, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by highpsi

Is there a way to spot fake hcg? The boxes and bottles of corion I have look pretty good.

pregnancy tests, but i hear they are inaccurate...i personally dont trust buying from places besides pharmacies it's jsut my paranoia.

**61er** · 08-16-2013, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by Joseph956

I had to self medicate on the hcg since my uro wouldn't put me on it..

I ordered from what seems was a reputable online pharmacy and reconstituted 5,000 iu with 2ml bac water.

I've been injected 250iu 3x week for 2 weeks (at least) now but my testicles are still hurting.. and the size really hasn't grown and they're not hanging like they used to.

Should i up my dosage to 300iu on my 3rd dose Saturday? or..

Maybe the dosage is off?

I'm six weeks into hcg-only TRT. Previously on pellets. I've had mixed results on 500IU twice a week, so last week went to M-W-F. A week ago I would have said "this is the solution". Today, felt a touch of the old blues and weepiness that started this journey two years ago. TT came in at 277 last week; FT was within range. I'm hoping this is just a delay in kick-starting Leydig cells.