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    Strange blood work - please help! (graphs attached)

    I am trying to titrate my testosterone , anastrozole, HGH and HCG but the results seem very erratic. Is this normal? Especially my Estradiol. WTF!??

    Strange blood work - please help! (graphs attached)-screen_shot_20130627_at_11.02.27.jpg

    Phase 1:

    2 IU HGH per day
    75mg Testosterone Propionate per week
    0.5mg anastrozole per week
    750 IU HCG per week

    Phase 2:

    1 IU HGH per day
    50mg Testosterone Propionate per week
    1mg anastrozole per week
    500 IU HCG per week

    HGH: My IGF-1 rocketed after phase 1 so I cut back to 1 IU per day and that seems much better so far. I will stick on 1 IU /day and see how that goes.
    Testosterone: I am back to my base levels even though I am taking 50mg/week and the HCG. Baffling. Is my body really so senstiive to the difference between 50mg and 75mg? Seems from the above that I need to start taking 63mg/week but somehow I think there is something else going on.
    Estradiol: This is the worst of the lot. I doubled my dosage of Anastrozole AND reduced my testosterone, but my Estradiol is still climbing!
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    How long was each phase?
    Is there a reason you are using prop?
    What was your baseline SHBG?
    How often are you injecting?
    When was blood drawn relative to graph?
    Be careful with the Anastrozole that is a lot for 50mg per week of test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 100% View Post
    How long was each phase?
    The x axis on the charts indicates days.

    Is there a reason you are using prop?
    It's all I can get here. AFAIK it doesn't make a difference, except to frequency of pinning.

    What was your baseline SHBG?
    unknown

    How often are you injecting?
    Test? 3 times a week.

    Be careful with the Anastrozole that is a lot for 50mg per week of test.
    Yes, people keep saying to be careful with the Anastrozole but so far my dosage doesn't even seem to have an effect. I am doubling it again as of today (for phase 3)

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    I would pull some of the varibles out of this equations. Dose ester do matter but only based on how you react. Prop will shoot you test very high very fast estrogen will follow that so it may not be best for you. I would stop the hcg and see if you can get your levels stable with out it. Then add it back in later it may also be why the Anastrozole seem not to be working for you. I would also try injecting the test prop subq as you seem to be metabolising very quickly.

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    Thanks for your thoughts. I can look around and see if I can find a slower T ester locally. I'm already delivering the T subq.
    Could also drop the HCG for a while though I hope to have kids in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imom View Post
    Thanks for your thoughts. I can look around and see if I can find a slower T ester locally. I'm already delivering the T subq.
    Could also drop the HCG for a while though I hope to have kids in the near future.
    The other thing that could be happening is that your hcg is fake or no good. That would explain the fast rise in begining. Now you are now suppressed and at baseline with adding exogenous testosterone . This would make sense and would estrogen is explain why you estrogen is higher at same ng/l. If you are taking nasal hcg I will guarantee you it is fake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 100% View Post
    The other thing that could be happening is that your hcg is fake or no good.
    No, it is bought from a local pharmacy in 1000 IU vials.

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    Anyone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 100% View Post
    I would stop the hcg and see if you can get your levels stable with out it. Then add it back in later it may also be why the Anastrozole seem not to be working for you.
    What are you basing this on? It seems there are many people successfully using this combination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imom View Post
    What are you basing this on? It seems there are many people successfully using this combination.
    Intratesticular E2 which an AI is largely ineffective in controlling. Stickie on hcg at top of page. I don't know anyone using test prop for trt.

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    I see. The sticky doesn't mention any intratesticular aromatisation but that sounds interesting. Something new to google.

    How do I maintain gonad function and drive down E2 at the same time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by imom View Post
    I see. The sticky doesn't mention any intratesticular aromatisation but that sounds interesting. Something new to google.

    How do I maintain gonad function and drive down E2 at the same time?
    It is right below hCG Injection Protocols will say notes . Slower absorbing testosterone may help with e2 then you may be able to use hcg without a problem. May just be to fast conversion at once with prop and hcg.

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    Temporarily dropping the HCG will be fine. It will allow you to see exactly where you are based on T alone and not the additional bump from the HCG. Many docs actually recommend no HCG the week prior to blood being pulled. Prop needs EOD, don't skip weekends as serum levels will plummet.
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    Ok, thanks for the input. I think I'll drop the HCG and switch to daily T Prop injections. I can then lower my anastrozole dose again and see how that all goes.

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    EOD prop, not ED. Really don't need it ED.
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