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My IGF-1 levels were 128L (200-350ng/mL). The doctor placed my on "Nitric Oxide Support (containing Arginine) 1 scoop Nightly...
The suggested treatments are: HGH INJECTIONS 5 days/week:
5mg vial/monthly or 2mg vials/monthly
Or...
Growth hormone releasing hormone 5 days/week:
6mg vial/monthly or 9mg vials/monthly
They placed me on the last option possible! Lol! I want to try the HGH...do u think I need it?
DHEA IS 212.8 avg (400-560 uh/dL)
Bump
My friend I would say that if you're out of range then you would definitely feel and see the benefits of a nice replacement dose. As to whether you 'need' it... probably not, you won't die any time soon because of it... but you know that lol! If you can get it and afford I wouldn't hesitate.
How old are you out of interest?
Only 32 yrs old bro.
I'm also wondering how hesitant the clinic would be to prescribe HGH. It is listed on there list as a form of correcting low IGF-1 levels. As stated they placed me on the Nitric Oxide (w Arginine) supp instead. I'm guessing to see how that worked.
I'm sure the difference between HGH and Nitric Oxide is night and day. I have heard son many wonderful things about HGH.
How strict are most TRT facilities to prescribe HGH? If you have been successful of being prescribed it what were your IGF-1 levels prior?
dude just take the trt dose..no need to blast trt or add hgh..butt hat's my opinion.
There are long term risks to keeping your IGF-1 too low, and of course you won't feel or look as good as you could. I'd take the HGH but it has to be a long term commitment. Btw, this is exactly what I'm doing. I scored an IGF-1 of 130 when I was in my 30s.
The difference between Nitric Oxide and real rhGH would probably be a little bit like using Test boosters compared to injectable test. I have used rhGH in the past and it is incredible stuff. If I could get it on RX and it wasn't going to make a hole in my bank account I would definitely go for it. The ONLY thing that would stop me, or rather make me think twice would be the prospect of lowering native GH production. There's a lot of studies out there, some saw that the pituitary would bounce back very quickly upon cessation of use, other's say it can take some time and might never fully recover... but as your own production gets lower with age it becomes less of an issue I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tnatious
All in all, looking at your numbers I would go for it... and enjoyyyy man!
My IGF-1 scores were 140 but nothing was said to run HGH. Would love to get on it though. I actually just started Sermorelin GHRP-2 to try to bump those numbers but obviously prescribed HGH would be much better.
Powerlifter *
U said it "butt hat"!
And "dude" u always butt into my threads with a cocky condescending manor. I take EVERYTHING you say as a "butt hat" opinion!
Btw. To all the others...thanks
eh it was a typo...and if you want to take all these steroids then why are you in a trt forum.
You better start treading lightly with your replies.
How many times have you tested your igf levels?
Many factors can effect them and there can be a good bit of variation so I wouldn't jump to any big decisions until you're sure they're consistently low out of ref range.
Not sure what you mean by that but that's a bull shit thing to say and you need to edit your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerlifterty16
Inappropriate and hateful comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerlifterty16
hgh isnt healthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman
Niether is 90% things we do and eat.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerlifterty16
You're a class act wishing cancer on someone.
Like others said, need is relative but if your goal is to see and feel the most significant change then you will see that with HGH. Go with it if you can afford it. Why is the HGH only 5/week and not qd?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tnatious
Theyve been using HGH for over 60 years for dwarfism. No cancer, no harsh side effects when done correctly. It is true that superphysiological doses can cause acromegaly or giangtism. Look at andre the giant the wrestler. He had a disease called hyperpituitarism which his body made too much GH and like his name, it did just that...Made his organs and features "giant". IGF-1 which is the marker we use to measure HGH in the body from the liver. IGF-1 stands for Insulin Growth Factor-1. HGH is a growth factor for many cells and types of tissues in the body. In theory just like TRT...It is possible that with the presence of an exsisting cancer HGH/IGF-1 may cause "growth factor" of these cells. I personally wouldnt treat anybody under 190ng/mg, or someone who isnt per say deficent.
I love listening to the European lectures of HGH. In Europe they are light years ahead of the curve on the practice of HGH under medical supervison. Thierry Hertoghe a Belguim Anti-Aging doc wrote the book on HGH and has been a patient himself using HGH since 37 years old. When I asked him why did you start HGH at 37. he replied. "HGH levels decrease 1% every year after age 30 on average." "I should of started at 31" lol. Mind you Thierry is in his 50s and looks like he is still in his 30s. His belief is that optimal Igf-1 levels should be upwards of 300 for preventative practice of Alztiemers, Parkinsons, Lewy-Body Dementia, Insulin Resitance,Metabolic Syndrome, High BP, CAD and many other pathologies that plague US men.
For those of you who would like to know more. Heres one of his lectures online. He has great taste in suits. LOL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fFxEOavxZI
Without qualifying your comment, it is meaningless. Do you mean it's unhealthy for all people? And at any dose? So you are against stunted children taking HGH to correct their growth? Or people correcting hypopituitarism? As with most substances produced by the body, there is an optimal amount. Having too much or too little leads to disease.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerlifterty16
I assume you mean over 190 ng/mlQuote:
Originally Posted by LowT Mike
I am very pro HGH. I am not against its use at all. powerlifty made the comment HGH is unhealthy. Its not at all in the medical setting...Like ive said they've used it in the medical arena for over 60 years for dwarfism. Where are all the dead bodies? There are none. The medical application of HGH should be done just like TRT. There are bad medical sideffects when used inappropriatly. When overseen by a well trained medcial physician who has choosen his patients carefully there are no dangerous and negative side effects.
LowT Mike, isn't it near impossible to get prescribed HGH in the U.S.? How low is an IGF-1 level of 140? Would taking Sermoreling GHRP-2 help with increasing these numbers?
the only thing here that is a class act is your reading comprehension and accusatory comments. I told him he was better off without the hgh, because i have read it causes cancer..and then he got mad at me for saying that, and i said go have fun with the hgh...i in no way wish cancer on the op.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman
mike is pro hgh, so in that case, id say give it a try, i was just relaying info i had read.
plenty of clinics will give out hgh...clinics give out anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by PistolPete33
i know they've used hcg for children who are short with no dwarfism, but does it really work for kids with actual dwarfism? what about primordial dwarfism? one hell of a disease.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowT Mike