TRT Feeling worse not better?

**Volomon** · 09-03-2013, 01:45 PM

Is this possible? I've been getting a really low probably dumb dose of 100mg per month, on a single day. Is this actually deactivating my ability to generate Testosterone while making my system compensate the dosage with more Estrogen?

Is this causing an imbalance to occur. I feel worse than before I was taking the Testosterone. I get emotional ect,. I could only describe it as a man period, which is fed up. I feel weaker, almost sick, I swear I think I'm dying sometimes.

Someone can delete this one I magic back spaced posted it again.

**bass** · 09-03-2013, 01:55 PM

of course you will feel terrible with this protocol. your doc is not up to date with TRT, he's doing more harm than good with this protocol. trying to bite my tongue here!

okay, read the stickys, all of them. minimum TRT protocol should consist of,

Test Cyp. 100 mgs at least once a week, preferably 50mgs twice a week.
hCG to keep your testis functioning and to prevent atrophy.
AI, as needed and based on BW.
Vitamin D3 as needed
Fish oil
DHED as needed
donate blood if needed

search the forum and you will find all sorts of threads for any question you might have regarding TRT and the items I listed.

**bass** · 09-03-2013, 02:18 PM

thats DHEA not HDED

**FRDave** · 09-03-2013, 02:54 PM

100mg per month, wtf. I would stop immediately as you will feel much better naturally. This is a weekly dose for some of us, many needing more just to get at top of range.

I imagine you feel good for 5-7 days tops then it's all downhill from there as you are dropping to super low levels, and since shut down you will not naturally produce any test. Out of curiosity, what does your testosterone levels look like, say 1 day before your next monthly injection?

**Low Testosterone** · 09-03-2013, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by bass

of course you will feel terrible with this protocol. your doc is not up to date with TRT, he's doing more harm than good with this protocol. trying to bite my tongue here!

okay, read the stickys, all of them. minimum TRT protocol should consist of,

Test Cyp. 100 mgs at least once a week, preferably 50mgs twice a week.
hCG to keep your testis functioning and to prevent atrophy.
AI, as needed and based on BW.
Vitamin D3 as needed
Fish oil
DHED as needed
donate blood if needed

search the forum and you will find all sorts of threads for any question you might have regarding TRT and the items I listed.

Not necessarily regarding the testosterone dose. LowT Mike I'm sure we'll chime in on this one. I've heard him talk about countless of patients he has that take far less than 100mg/wk and have testosterone levels in the 1000's, even 70-80yr old men taking 25mg/wk and having test levels of a 20yr old. How? Balance all hormones, particularly testosterone and estrogen and a starved body sucks it up and levels go up with it.

HCG: If you are full blown primary it won't do much of anything.

AI: Agreed.

Supplements: All good supplements.

Donate Blood: If needed, yes, but it's not all that commonly needed. Far less need it then need it.

**powerlifterty16** · 09-03-2013, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Low Testosterone

Not necessarily regarding the testosterone dose. LowT Mike I'm sure we'll chime in on this one. I've heard him talk about countless of patients he has that take far less than 100mg/wk and have testosterone levels in the 1000's, even 70-80yr old men taking 25mg/wk and having test levels of a 20yr old. How? Balance all hormones, particularly testosterone and estrogen and a starved body sucks it up and levels go up with it.

HCG : If you are full blown primary it won't do much of anything.

AI: Agreed.

Supplements: All good supplements.

Donate Blood: If needed, yes, but it's not all that commonly needed. Far less need it then need it.

if you are primary do you still need hcg for size?

**bass** · 09-03-2013, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Low Testosterone

Not necessarily regarding the testosterone dose. LowT Mike I'm sure we'll chime in on this one. I've heard him talk about countless of patients he has that take far less than 100mg/wk and have testosterone levels in the 1000's, even 70-80yr old men taking 25mg/wk and having test levels of a 20yr old. How? Balance all hormones, particularly testosterone and estrogen and a starved body sucks it up and levels go up with it.

HCG : If you are full blown primary it won't do much of anything.

AI: Agreed.

Supplements: All good supplements.

Donate Blood: If needed, yes, but it's not all that commonly needed. Far less need it then need it.

"minimum" I was referring to the medications and supplements, not so much the dose, also was based on what most here average. I should have made it more clear.

**bass** · 09-03-2013, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by powerlifterty16

if you are primary do you still need hcg for size?

I've seen only one member that posted BW while on TRT with LH and FSH showing at low level, but most are pretty much shutdown, that's why the hCG is critical to administer when these two hormones are shutdown. pretty much these are the two major hormones that stimulates the testis, without them your ball will most likely diminish!

**Low Testosterone** · 09-03-2013, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by bass

"minimum" I was referring to the medications and supplements, not so much the dose, also was based on what most here average. I should have made it more clear.

I see. That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

Originally Posted by powerlifterty16

if you are primary do you still need hcg for size?

If you're primary and already producing a massive amount of LH that your testicles are not responding to, dumping more LH on top of it won't change this. Your testicles still won't respond and in the grand scheme of things, that's really are HCG is, LH.

**powerlifterty16** · 09-03-2013, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Low Testosterone

I see. That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

If you're primary and already producing a massive amount of LH that your testicles are not responding to, dumping more LH on top of it won't change this. Your testicles still won't respond and in the grand scheme of things, that's really are HCG is, LH.

so trt wont shrink a primary guy's balls?

**powerlifterty16** · 09-03-2013, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by bass

I've seen only one member that posted BW while on TRT with LH and FSH showing at low level, but most are pretty much shutdown, that's why the hCG is critical to administer when these two hormones are shutdown. pretty much these are the two major hormones that stimulates the testis, without them your ball will most likely diminish!

but if someone's primary these hormones arent keeping the balls alive anyway bass

you know?

**Low Testosterone** · 09-03-2013, 04:50 PM

Often a primary guy's testicles have already experienced some atrophy even before testosterone therapy and TRT probably won't change this one way or another.

**bass** · 09-03-2013, 04:59 PM

^^^ yes of course, I may have missed something in the conversation. again I was thinking in general not specific.

**FRDave** · 09-03-2013, 05:03 PM

Good read here:

http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...-outdated.html

**xcraider37** · 09-03-2013, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Low Testosterone

Often a primary guy's testicles have already experienced some atrophy even before testosterone therapy and TRT probably won't change this one way or another.

Yes but you could still be producing some t and enough to keep the boys functioning so I still think hcg can provide some value even for us with primary obviously as always with trt it is not a one size fits all therapy.

**FRDave** · 09-03-2013, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Low Testosterone

Not necessarily regarding the testosterone dose. LowT Mike I'm sure we'll chime in on this one. I've heard him talk about countless of patients he has that take far less than 100mg/wk and have testosterone levels in the 1000's, even 70-80yr old men taking 25mg/wk and having test levels of a 20yr old. How? Balance all hormones, particularly testosterone and estrogen and a starved body sucks it up and levels go up with it.

HCG : If you are full blown primary it won't do much of anything.

AI: Agreed.

Supplements: All good supplements.

Donate Blood: If needed, yes, but it's not all that commonly needed. Far less need it then need it.

Even if one was to get lucky and only need 25mg a week, the 100mg in one monthly shot is not going to cut it, regardless of hormone harmony. We know this based on the half life of test C or E...

OP needs weekly shots at most!