got clomid test results back

**powerlifterty16** · 09-13-2013, 08:44 AM

some interesting results..and what do you know? my igf1 is high take that ryanmcd

....my fsh is still really low though why is that?
any thoughts on my thyroid? my tsh came back highest it's ever been...but t3 and t4 look alright? cholesterol dropped 4 points ldl dropped 3 but hdl went down.
igf-1

insulin-like growth factor i 163 83-344 ng/mL
sex horm binding glob, serum 26.9 16.5-55.9 nmol/L
estradiol 31.0 7.6-42.6 pg/mL
lh 11.1 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL
fsh 4.4 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL
dhea-sulfate 386.4 211.0-492.0 ug/dL i dont supplement fyi
cortisol 33.1 2.3-19.4 ug/dL
testosterone, serum 631 348-1197 ng/dL....so my t went up but still didnt go crazy high like a lot of people's does on clomid, plus my e2 went up from 9 and 14(on hcg) to 31...i honestly felt no different.
triiodothyronine,free,serum 3.6 2.0-4.4 pg/mL
t4,free(direct) 1.25 0.82-1.77 ng/dL
tsh 5.910 0.450-4.500 uIU/mL
ldl cholesterol calc 152 0-119 mg/dL
vldl cholesterol cal 19 5-40 mg/dL
hdl cholesterol 45 >39 mg/dL
triglycerides 97 0-114 mg/dL
cholesterol, total 216 100-189 mg/dL

i think ill refill the clomid one more time and see how i feel. i stopped taking it after one week, but ill try it out m w f at 25 mg like shippen said...idk why it raised my tsh though.

**bass** · 09-13-2013, 08:51 AM

seems like your problem is thyroid. what did the doc say about your TSH?

**zillagod** · 09-13-2013, 09:10 AM

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**powerlifterty16** · 09-13-2013, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by bass

seems like your problem is thyroid. what did the doc say about your TSH?

shippen didnt even order tsh until i called and complained....so dont know how helpful he will really be. thyroid meds supposedly bound testosterone up anyway, so i prob will need to be on something for testosterone anyway. idont think my free t3 or free t4 or that bad though.
my cortisol has always been high so maybe my adrenals are shot too
i think im a lost cause might as well just shoot up t and relieve symptoms.
im gonna refill the clomid though.

**powerlifterty16** · 09-13-2013, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by iamgodzilla

ive been on clomid 50mg eod day for like a month now and the difference i feel is night and day. im not yet to 100% but on a scale of 1-10(1 being suicidal and 10 being back to normal), before i started therapy(well im trying a restart actually) i was at a -2, now i feel im at a 4 or 5. i actually started back in college and everything. still not back to normal, but a hell of a lot better than before. no sides whatsoever either.

im going to make my own thread to update my status on this restart after i get bloods in a week or two

i honestly didnt feel any different....but my t didnt really go super high and my e2 rose 3x what it normally is.

**Ryanmcd** · 09-13-2013, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by powerlifterty16

i honestly didnt feel any different....but my t didnt really go super high and my e2 rose 3x what it normally is.

Just give it time man, you have prob been screwed up for years and it may take several months to get fixed, small price to pay for 40 years of good health later on. Again relax and at least you are figuring out what is wrong and he's working with you so your on the right track.

**powerlifterty16** · 09-13-2013, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Ryanmcd

Just give it time man, you have prob been screwed up for years and it may take several months to get fixed, small price to pay for 40 years of good health later on. Again relax and at least you are figuring out what is wrong and he's working with you so your on the right track.

yeah ill just put my trust in him and hope he can help me. i hope i am making progress.
what was your igf1 btw i think you have me beat but not gonna lie it's cool seeing that mine is high.....are you tall btw?

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 09-13-2013, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by powerlifterty16

thyroid meds supposedly bound testosterone up anyway, so i prob will need to be on something for testosterone anyway.

Not sure what you are saying here but thyroid meds do not bind up testosterone.

I agree with Bass in that your thyroid could be behind your problems.
I would get tested for Hashimoto's disease if I were you.

**dreadnok89** · 09-13-2013, 11:33 AM

If your e is that low you will feel lime shit. I think E is way overblown on this board.

**FRDave** · 09-13-2013, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

If your e is that low you will feel lime shit. I think E is way overblown on this board.

No one mentioned low E so this post is pointless, you think? And the difference between this board and the majority of others is knowledge. So you can say E is overblown or you can do some homework and you would know how important E is and why the majority on this board try to get it in optimal range and are concerned when it's too high/low.

**dreadnok89** · 09-13-2013, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by FRDave

No one mentioned low E so this post is pointless, you think? And the difference between this board and the majority of others is knowledge. So you can say E is overblown or you can do some homework and you would know how important E is and why the majority on this board try to get it in optimal range and are concerned when it's too high/low.

Well no shit. His E pre chlomid is pretty godamn low. 31 isn't anything to worried about.He stated himself he was worried about his E . Some people on this board go apeshit over E even when its in normal range.

**Ryanmcd** · 09-13-2013, 01:06 PM

I would rather have a E of 50 then of 3. When I started TRT someone said make sure you take a AI and I did, my E2 was at *3* I felt like shit, could not have sex, and everything was sore. I will take a high E over a low E ANYDAY and if anyone says different they have not crashed out E2 before.

Hell I would rather have a test lvl of 0 then E2 being 0.

**dreadnok89** · 09-13-2013, 01:07 PM

On a side note, is sensitive E tests the equivalent of free t tests?

**Ryanmcd** · 09-13-2013, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

Well no shit. His E pre chlomid is pretty godamn low. 31 isn't anything to worried about.He stated himself he was worried about his E . Some people on this board go apeshit over E even when its in normal range.

Also you have to remember power is a number chaser, he can just let the doc do his work and see how he feels best. Then once you feel good you see what your #s are.

**Ryanmcd** · 09-13-2013, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by powerlifterty16

yeah ill just put my trust in him and hope he can help me. i hope i am making progress.
what was your igf1 btw i think you have me beat but not gonna lie it's cool seeing that mine is high.....are you tall btw?

My IGF was 420, I am 5'11 but my brother is 6'10 and he has a high IGF as well.

**2Sox** · 09-13-2013, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

Well no shit. His E pre chlomid is pretty godamn low. 31 isn't anything to worried about.He stated himself he was worried about his E . Some people on this board go apeshit over E even when its in normal range.

Your opinion is important but if it is opinion, you should say so. It would also be more useful to us all if you spoke up when you saw an inaccurate post, or a post you feel is misleading. We could all benefit. Using terms like "overblown" and "some people" does no one any good because there are no points of reference.

**dreadnok89** · 09-13-2013, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by 2Sox

Your opinion is important but if it is opinion, you should say so. It would also be more useful to us all if you spoke up when you saw an inaccurate post, or a post you feel is misleading. We could all benefit. Using terms like "overblown" and "some people" does no one any good because there are no points of reference.

I figured all the posts about people crashing there E with arimidex kinda supported that fact. And we all know here that low E has negative effects on your body. He brought up a fact about his estrogen and I responded. Sorry

**FRDave** · 09-13-2013, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

I figured all the posts about people crashing there E with arimidex kinda supported that fact. And we all know here that low E has negative effects on your body. He brought up a fact about his estrogen and I responded. Sorry

I missed OP's reference to E, in which I just read. I don't think he is saying it's high, but just that he does not feel a difference which we would all assume he would based on his low E2 numbers prior.

As for many crashing their E2, I feel it's simply due to the fact that they don't realize how strong a prescription AI is such as Arimidex. People will be slightly over and can get away with an over the counter AI such as zinc & DIM, yet their Dr. will give them script and tell them to take 1mg per week, thus they kill their E2. Thankfully to this board, many people will post prior and we can guide them, but that's not always the case.

**bass** · 09-13-2013, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

On a side note, is sensitive E tests the equivalent of free t tests?

seriously?!

**dreadnok89** · 09-13-2013, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by FRDave

I missed OP's reference to E, in which I just read. I don't think he is saying it's high, but just that he does not feel a difference which we would all assume he would based on his low E2 numbers prior.

As for many crashing their E2, I feel it's simply due to the fact that they don't realize how strong a prescription AI is such as Arimidex. People will be slightly over and can get away with an over the counter AI such as zinc & DIM, yet their Dr. will give them script and tell them to take 1mg per week, thus they kill their E2. Thankfully to this board, many people will post prior and we can guide them, but that's not always the case.

Ya I agree. I didn't wanna sound dooshy with my retort I'mnot good with conveying messages while typing. And no bass wanted to make a jone

**bass** · 09-13-2013, 01:52 PM

jone?!

**2Sox** · 09-13-2013, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by FRDave

I missed OP's reference to E, in which I just read. I don't think he is saying it's high, but just that he does not feel a difference which we would all assume he would based on his low E2 numbers prior.

As for many crashing their E2, I feel it's simply due to the fact that they don't realize how strong a prescription AI is such as Arimidex. People will be slightly over and can get away with an over the counter AI such as zinc & DIM, yet their Dr. will give them script and tell them to take 1mg per week, thus they kill their E2. Thankfully to this board, many people will post prior and we can guide them, but that's not always the case.

I agree completely. I started Test at a men's health clinic where they gave me 100mg test cyp/week and .5mg anastrozole right after the shot (and .5mg, 3.5 days after the shot.) After the injection, I went home and had to sleep. After the second ai dose, I had to go to sleep. I thought it was the Test. I finally realized they were OD'ing me on the ai! I've acquired a healthy respect of anastrozole! Based on the ai dose I'm taking now - .25mg every 4 days - LowT Mike feels that I could manage my E2 through zinc, copper and DIM. I'm gonna try.

**gatornate97** · 09-13-2013, 02:04 PM

I'm going to try and manage it that first before I try the AI. The specialist actually asked me today about the poll and if I have gotten it. I said no, and I will keep on with the zinc, copper, DIM synergy until I receive my first BW in 4 weeks

**dreadnok89** · 09-13-2013, 02:09 PM

I meant joke bass. My phone blows or my typinh

**bass** · 09-13-2013, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

I meant joke bass. My phone blows or my typinh

just messing with you Dread!

**Megalodon6** · 09-13-2013, 03:00 PM

Hope you stick with it and everything works out for you man.

**Megalodon6** · 09-13-2013, 03:00 PM

What about adding any hcg would this help?

**powerlifterty16** · 09-13-2013, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by FRDave

No one mentioned low E so this post is pointless, you think? And the difference between this board and the majority of others is knowledge. So you can say E is overblown or you can do some homework and you would know how important E is and why the majority on this board try to get it in optimal range and are concerned when it's too high/low.

i thought 30 is around optimal..now it's low? lol

**powerlifterty16** · 09-13-2013, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

Well no shit. His E pre chlomid is pretty godamn low. 31 isn't anything to worried about.He stated himself he was worried about his E . Some people on this board go apeshit over E even when its in normal range.

not worried just saying my t to e ratio didnt go up that much..and my shbg went from 23.5 to 26.5 so idk if my free t is any better.

**powerlifterty16** · 09-13-2013, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Ryanmcd

My IGF was 420, I am 5'11 but my brother is 6'10 and he has a high IGF as well.

i actually misread my bw my igf is lower than top

**powerlifterty16** · 09-13-2013, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

On a side note, is sensitive E tests the equivalent of free t tests?

no, the e2 sensitive test is equal to the testosterone total test for women, children, and hypogonadal males..just a more sensitive test.

**powerlifterty16** · 09-13-2013, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Megalodon6

What about adding any hcg would this help?

felt a little stronger on the hcg and e didnt go up as much, and i enjoyed injecting myself lol....im backing the clomid down to m w f...although technically the refills on the script are for every day so i could do it every day if i wanted to....but shippen said m w f so ill do that.

i just feel like im a lost cause...high cortisol=****ed adrenals high thyroid ****ed thyroid...low t equals ****ed up life lol.

**2Sox** · 09-13-2013, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by powerlifterty16

felt a little stronger on the hcg and e didnt go up as much, and i enjoyed injecting myself lol....im backing the clomid down to m w f...although technically the refills on the script are for every day so i could do it every day if i wanted to....but shippen said m w f so ill do that.

i just feel like im a lost cause...high cortisol=****ed adrenals high thyroid ****ed thyroid...low t equals ****ed up life lol.

Power,
You're far from a lost cause. You're 24 and have the whole world to discover and find meaning in. That's what we were born for. You have so many wonderful opportunities ahead of you, it's unimaginable. Technology is advancing at break neck speeds and we just don't know what advances in medicine and in science there will be just around the corner. Imagine in ten years. No, five years!

Once upon a time, people died from diseases, we don't even hear about anymore - because we've conquered them! We all are on the cusp of a scientific and medical revolution. Think about stem cell research. Can you imagine growing new adrenals, a new pituitary, a new pair of balls! We're almost there.

Sit tight and enjoy the ride.

**Megalodon6** · 09-13-2013, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by powerlifterty16

felt a little stronger on the hcg and e didnt go up as much, and i enjoyed injecting myself lol....im backing the clomid down to m w f...although technically the refills on the script are for every day so i could do it every day if i wanted to....but shippen said m w f so ill do that.

i just feel like im a lost cause...high cortisol=****ed adrenals high thyroid ****ed thyroid...low t equals ****ed up life lol.

I feel your pain my brotha. I'm in a similar situation

**powerlifterty16** · 09-14-2013, 05:04 AM

deadlifting dogl people on the nelson viergel fb page were saying t3 or t4 r a combo could bind t up to basically unusable amounts. they also said t3 or r4 destroys muscle......all not good things.

weird im hypo and ectomorph lulz.

**powerlifterty16** · 09-14-2013, 06:11 AM

my tsh is high but dont my free t3 and free t4 lookalright?

triiodothyronine,free,serum 3.6 2.0-4.4 pg/mL
t4,free(direct) 1.25 0.82-1.77 ng/dL
tsh 5.910 0.450-4.500 uIU/mL

**powerlifterty16** · 09-14-2013, 07:02 PM

i think the clomid ****ed up my tsh...if that is the case would it only be temporary?

Clomid and TSH? : Drug Therapy & Hormone Replacement

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 09-14-2013, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by powerlifterty16

deadlifting dogl people on the nelson viergel fb page were saying t3 or t4 r a combo could bind t up to basically unusable amounts. they also said t3 or r4 destroys muscle......all not good things.

weird im hypo and ectomorph lulz.

T4 and T3 naturally occur in the body and do not bind to testosterone.
However if one were to take too much T4 or T3 they would in essence suffer from hyperthyroidism. The muscle wasting that would result is caused by too fast a metabolism, not a loss of testosterone.

**powerlifterty16** · 09-14-2013, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

T4 and T3 naturally occur in the body and do not bind to testosterone.
However if one were to take too much T4 or T3 they would in essence suffer from hyperthyroidism. The muscle wasting that would result is caused by too fast a metabolism, not a loss of testosterone.

i still dont want muscle wasting....so it seems treating my possible hypothyroidism could cause its own bad effects. i have a hard enough time gaining muscle to begin with

btw any thoughts on my free t4 and free t3 i posted a few posts above, and also if clomid messed my tsh up would it be temporary?

**dreadnok89** · 09-14-2013, 09:23 PM

Hey power, you pre chlomid estrogen levels were low.your in a good spot at 30. One of my tests results a while ago when I felt my best shade my test in the 1200's and my Sensitive estrogen was close to 60 with 42 the top end. I don't know man. This shit is just hard to figure out

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