Understanding T/E ratios

[JAVC]

I hope someone can help me find the answers for this question. I'm 46 and 6'3" 255-260lbs and prescribed 200mg of test cyp every five days. Problem is that my T/E ration was 90:4 when tested last so i'm told. I can not figure out how and I also take armidex for my Estrog. This is a problem due to my Fed. PO has done the the test and tells me that I have a crazy high T/E level. I wondered if the fact that I had just taking my shot about 2 hrs before in the AM.

I have doubled and taken 400mg as well not often. I have taken gear since college and never been off until my federal vacation of 3yrs. It was tuff and after returning I had my levels checked and they were double digit low 82 T and 240 Estrog that was April of this year.

Any thoughts would be helpful I'm at a loss.

[jomamma007]

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[JAVC]

I tested appox 1600 for my testosterone level. I don't think it is the same as the T/E levels? I really am lost at the moment however they consider doping compared to the Olympic testing anything over 4:1 ratio. I'm sorry for not being clear but it is really all I know at the moment. Thank you for you input.

[Sgt. Hartman]

I would forget about ratios and just get each within ref range at a level where you feel and function your best. Who cares what that ratio is I just don't see the relevance.

[jomamma007]

For testing purposes that you speak of, they refer to Epitestosterone which isn't the same thing. According to wikipedia the highest a natural athlete could have is 5.25-1 ratio of T/E. So the e isn't estrogen, apologizes it's Epitestosterone. Seriously doubt you could have 90:4 ratio with your levels being 1600 but it's possible on 400mgs per week of pharma, still though

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I hope someone can help me find the answers for this question. I'm 46 and 6'3" 255-260lbs and prescribed 200mg of test cyp every five days. Problem is that my T/E ration was 90:4 when tested last so i'm told. I can not figure out how and I also take armidex for my Estrog. This is a problem due to my Fed. PO has done the the test and tells me that I have a crazy high T/E level. I wondered if the fact that I had just taking my shot about 2 hrs before in the AM. I have doubled and taken 400mg as well not often. I have taken gear since college and never been off until my federal vacation of 3yrs. It was tuff and after returning I had my levels checked and they were double digit low 82 T and 240 Estrog that was April of this year. Any thoughts would be helpful I'm at a loss.

I am unsure what your question is.

A T/E test is done to try to determine if someone is taking steroids. Supposedly a human can have a level as high as 5.25:1. You can in at 22.5:1. This would indicate that you are likely taking steroids.

Well the truth is that you are taking steroids. In fact, you are taking enough to put you well into supra-physiological levels. You tested at 1600 when a human's highest range is around 1200.

Would T/E level have been lower if you just hadn't taken the shot. My guess is yes. Your testosterone level would have been lower thus T/E would have been lower. My guess is you still would have been well above the natural limit of 5.25:1.

I don't understand why this is a problem to the Federal Post Office since your testosterone is prescribed by a doctor.

As an aside, keeping your testosterone level year round at 1600 isn't healthy long term but I am sure you know that.

[EverettCD]

I am unsure what your question is.

A T/E test is done to try to determine if someone is taking steroids. Supposedly a human can have a level as high as 5.25:1. You can in at 22.5:1. This would indicate that you are likely taking steroids.

Well the truth is that you are taking steroids. In fact, you are taking enough to put you well into supra-physiological levels. You tested at 1600 when a human's highest range is around 1200.

Would T/E level have been lower if you just hadn't taken the shot. My guess is yes. Your testosterone level would have been lower thus T/E would have been lower. My guess is you still would have been well above the natural limit of 5.25:1.

I don't understand why this is a problem to the Federal Post Office since your testosterone is prescribed by a doctor.

As an aside, keeping your testosterone level year round at 1600 isn't healthy long term but I am sure you know that.

I think OP is referring to his Parole Officer.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I think OP is referring to his Parole Officer.

Sometimes I can be soooo stupid. Now I know what he meant by federal vacation.

OP, being the case that you are on parole, I think you would be very well advised to never stray from your prescribed amount of testosterone.

[EverettCD]

HaHa, I had to read the post twice myself.

[dreadnok89]

I am unsure what your question is.

A T/E test is done to try to determine if someone is taking steroids. Supposedly a human can have a level as high as 5.25:1. You can in at 22.5:1. This would indicate that you are likely taking steroids.

Well the truth is that you are taking steroids. In fact, you are taking enough to put you well into supra-physiological levels. You tested at 1600 when a human's highest range is around 1200.

Would T/E level have been lower if you just hadn't taken the shot. My guess is yes. Your testosterone level would have been lower thus T/E would have been lower. My guess is you still would have been well above the natural limit of 5.25:1.

I don't understand why this is a problem to the Federal Post Office since your testosterone is prescribed by a doctor.

As an aside, keeping your testosterone level year round at 1600 isn't healthy long term but I am sure you know that.

1200 is high normal. You cannot possibly think no human cant be over 1200 naturally?

[kelkel]

Sometimes I can be soooo stupid. Now I know what he meant by federal vacation.

OP, being the case that you are on parole, I think you would be very well advised to never stray from your prescribed amount of testosterone.

DD you cracked me up with this one....


Follow the Sgt's advice above....

[The Deadlifting Dog]

1200 is high normal. You cannot possibly think no human cant be over 1200 naturally?

I agree that there are a small percentage of men who are over 1200 naturally.
However, this small group includes some who suffer from over-production of testosterone due to tumors in the adrenals, testicles, or pituitary glands.
Let's not forget that Labcorp uses 1200 as the top while Quest uses 827.
So I would say that it is a very small percentage of men who can score over 1200 naturally.

Another point is that there is a big difference between someone who naturally scores 1200 at their peak reading in the morning vs. someone who scores 1200 at their trough level before their next shot is due. Why?

Well, a natural reading of 1200 at 8pm is likely to result in a reading of 550 at 1am. This is caused the body's diurnal testosterone cycle. (see attached chart) This would result in an average testosterone level of around 875 for the day.

Now a person whose trough level of 1200 the morning before their shot might peak out around 1600 the day after their shot. Their average level of testosterone would be around 1400. 160% higher than the natural male average testosterone level.

But yes, some people do produce over 1200. I used a poor choice of words.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Dreadnok89,

Sorry about that rant. It wasn't warranted.

I badly worded the statement that 1200 is the highest that a man can naturally produce.

[JAVC]

I do apologize for not being clear. My question is not whether I'm taking Test that's known due to my TRT. I realize that T/E ratio's are to see if you are taking steroids thats a given. As my PO knows that I take test he said that a 90:4 was abuse and I know what abuse of gear means and I'm the furtherest from that now. I was trying to get some idea how to get something that could explain the why its so high. You all have been helpful and I'm sorry for not clarifying Federal Probation Officer. The post office made me smile and I guess the best option will be an attorney.

Thank you again