Help with HTPA shutdown and correct doctor.

[ItalianPride]

Hey everyone. I am posting on here again because I am honestly losing faith , again on my current doctor(4th).
I am 26 years old, 70 inches and weight 200-205 lbs.
My first cycle was November 2010. I used 50mg of test prop every other day and anavar every day at 80mg. I ran this for 6 weeks and I must say I dlnt think I got that gains and benefits others did. I could train hard and everything but all that happen was my estrogen went through the roof gaining 20 lbs in 2 weeks and my sleep was all messed up. I stopped at week 6 around new years 2011 due to being sick. I think it was te test flu because I was using theraflu but it didn't do anything haha.
A month after my last pin I did a correct pct. got blood work done and my test was 1500+. This was from my primary doctor that I didn't know at the time didn't know what the hell to do. He only got me a total testoserone test that stopped at 1500 , ha. The pct fatigue me really hard and made me emotional like everyone pretty much gets. I still didn't feel normal after the pct so I talked to swifto and he said let your body settle for 3 months then get bloods done. I followed his instructions on what tests to get and my test was 239 but everything else looked great. He said tamox , exemestane and tribulous sopharma. I took that and didn't feel much different so I finished it off a stopped. I blew up to 230lbs from 200. Soon started taking clenbuterol. A lot. At high doses on and off. It made me feel good. For about 3 days.

I loved to Florida in 2012 because I race bikes and the weather is great down there. I trained every day hard and te sport is sprinting so I was training and practicing everyday while
Popping 800mg of caffeine very day. My energy levels and weight wasn't good and my diet has been shit all my life. I know for a fact it's not my diet. After another 6 months training and racing in Florida I crashed. I been using Clomid and tamox and Clen and sports supplements this entire time. I talked to a guy on here and told him what's going on and he said see a doctor before u do more damage.
I called a a4m doctor that actually called me bc I emailed her and told her what's going on. She was 5 hours away on the opposite coast of where I'm living. Right off the bat she said I have adrenal fatigue. We got tests done and she ended up putting me on some cortisol management supplements Hcg , hydrocortisone and a anti depressant med. I felt good for a bit but she ended up discharging me bc my dumb add got the Hcg on the street bc I ran out and didn't want to wait for her to send me it.
So I called another doctor and he was a natural doctor in Alabama. He wanted 5 grand to treat me and said I have to fix my sleep first and do deep deep testing to see what's going on. So I was like shit I don't have 5 grand. On to the next.
I set up a consult with this local doctor that does hermone replacement therapy. I was super excited , got all my bloods and everything done. Got tere and he was rude on the phone during the 540 dollar consult. Didn't know shit. Asked him do u know this steroid I took? Does u know this? No no and no he said and then he's like do u want to try Clomid ? I'm like I tryed that lol so I realized hes not hope and he said he doesn't deal with athletes anyways good luck and through. Bloodwork towards me accriss the desk. He said he won't charg me for the consult either. So I called a acupuncture natural doctor I'm currently dealing with. I told him my story and he has to call another doctor be aide he didn't know about the steroids i took. He came up with a plan after the Bloodwork and salvary tests. He put me on DIm, hemiopathic testoserone, bio prostate, testost rx, ADR formula and ps 100. When I first starting taking these supps I got the chills non stop and my pupils looked like I was on Molly. As I kept taking it I puked Sometimes in the am and felt better. I got more energy but don't perform as I did naturally. My lower back was hurting so bad when I performed and I was slow.
At this point I have a sponsor that pays my ways and I live off my sport but I don't think getting adrenaline and pushing my body is helping so I may need to stop for a while. I am currently on Hcg bc it makes me feel good but bloats me. My endurance is good in my legs but if I exert a lot i fatigue.

If anyone out there can help me find a doctor that knows about steroids and what they do and how to restart natural test please chime in.

My bloods say naturally I'm at 300-400 test. When take Clomid and nolva. I'm soooo fast on my bike and my test is high. It was 928 when I tested on Clomid and nolva. But I didn't have energy?? And I was only fast for a few days then I crashed.
Hcg makes me feel better and faster. But lowers my test. I did the 2500iu Hcg for 16 days from myT.com or whatever and it was 239 total test. So we contained the dr scally protocol and when I took the Clomid ad nolva ( everytime I do this ) I feel insane fast. My total t is high and my fsh and lh go up. Also my free t was 35 when the ranges were 9-23 or something. Once I got done w that I took Clen and I felt really really good. I trained hard for 3 days then fatigued..

I honestly don't want to be taking this for the test of my life and fail at my sport. I want to be naturally again and stop wasting my money and time on meds and doctors and consults that are 500 dollars and 80.

If someone on the boards here is interested in talking more about my situation and suggesting a good doctor here in Florida I'd appreciate it.

[ItalianPride]

Forgot to mention that blood work showed there is inflammation in my body. Been using Carlsons liquid fish oil and I think that is taking care of it.

Also forgot to mention my legs ( quads ) do not get sore anymore . I h net trained full time in 2 years and I can't get sore no matter how lower I go in the squats. Should get cupping therapy or a massage? Could it be build up from all te toxins and lactic acid from training? I get very sore like normal every where else. I can't get gains in my legs anymore and it sucks. Oh!! Forgot to mention .. On Clen buterol. My legs get very sore! Prolly from the bloodflow? I need major help :/

[kelkel]

Post up current BW for us to review please.

[ItalianPride]

Post up current BW for us to review please.

Hope this works. This is when i took winstrol injections for 1 weeks and absoulety made me feel like shit. I used it with HCG. Why? HCG makes me feel good. Winstrol = best explosive steroid for sprinters. Made me worse than ever. Still suffering. I tried going natural after this and life sucked!! Natural Doctor put me on the meds and i felt better but was very slow on my bike. Legs didnt move fast or anything. Now on HCG to feel better and faster. Its working but not as much as before.

Im thinking this first doctor was pretty good. I felt better on the HCG / Hydrocortisone. Good endurance and brain power. But the sleep was still shit.

My plan as of right now. Race the Nov - May Season of racing using HCG for energy and rebuilding my adrenals or whatever it does. THen popping Tamox / Clomid the weekend of the race with 50 MG of DHEA. Make the money and promote my sponsor and win the title. THen get help. But i am afraid im damaging my body more and more.

Id like get put on meds and perform!!

Hope these bloods work , im assuming they wont bc i was on shit.

[ItalianPride]

sorry , theyre not even bloods. I have been getting bloods done everytime accept this time. These are saliva tests

[ItalianPride]

My perspective is on my issue issue. It is very rare that you see someone get shutdown like this after a 6 week cycle. I never touched Test or any kind of test again. My body is sensitive to hormones and i honestly dont know if i will ever be fixed. I am on here to get advice and want someone to hold my hand through this. Its been since 2010 since this happend and its only getting worse and worse. I am very talented athlete but not very intelligent. I am naive and just do not know what the hell to do anymore. Its sad their are doctors out there that dont know shit about testosterone replament therapy and will just put u on TRT for life. I am determined to get myself back to normal. I didnt even use AAS for size. I am narutally genetically built. I just did it bc i am competitive.
I think that using AAS shut my down and it wont turn back on. My balls arent commicating or something is my body is not telling my natural test to turn back on.
THen adrenal part i think is from the clen. I used clen on and off throughout this entire time. When i use it now. I dont get cramps or anyuthing. It makes me happier and faaaast on my bike and i cant perform. BUT , i think thats bc its stimulating my adrenals. HCG? i dont think why HCG makes me feel better. But when i train on HCG i fatigue. Using clen i get sore and can squat 6 plates. Off Clen i can squat 2 - 3 plates. Before i was waiting for the doctor to get me my natural meds. that i was using recently. When i was waiting i didnt train or ANYTHING. I worked and used Niacin, VItamin C, B5, B6, Fish Oil , Proline and dieted. I worked all day 10 hours and slept for 11- 12 hours. FOr 1 month. I also Used Mon A Vie. A very powerful marketing Anti Oxidant fruit Dirnk. Bc the first doctor dianosed me with High Xoidative Dress., I was super fast but no endurance, Fatigued early with blurry vision etc. When i got adrenaline i had really good endurance.

[ItalianPride]

I think i possibly need to take advice my first doctor told me.

Rest while on the correct medication for my adrenals for 3 months.

the HCG will turn my test back on but will take a while.

I think she was correct possibly about the first part but the HCG doesnt up my test it lowers it.

My current doctor says he talked to someone that has alot of experience about what i used in the past and what it did to my body and he said we need to start of with a low does and create a pathway for my natural test to turn back on.

If u guys want ill read of my suppelments.

[ItalianPride]

Bump, anyone?

[kelkel]

How long ago was this last cycle? Realize that winstrol will suppress your natural testosterone production. It's also possible you did not recover well from your cycle. My suggestion would be to stop everything for a period of time, do blood work and see exactly where your numbers land. Then make an informed decision whether you are in need of TRT. If you're planning on taking DHEA and/or pregnenolone make sure they are micronized.

[ItalianPride]

Last and only
Cycle was 2010. I already let my body settle. It's 240 tt. Why would I go on TRT ?! We need to find out how my balls can talk to my pituitary and hypothalamus ...

[kelkel]

Well, your LH is at the bottom of the range on the labs posted. LH is what signals your testies to produce testosterone and without it you will have very low levels. If the labs are accurate the first thing I would do is get an MRI to rule in / out pituitary adenomas.

Another option would be to try another PCT with nolva / clomid and see if that stimulates production.

[ItalianPride]

Clomid and tamox up my free T , lh fsh and total T to 900+. Once I go off. It drops.

[kelkel]

Well, if secondary hypogonadal it's normal to have low LH / FSH levels and low T. If primary hypo then you'd have high LH / FSH and low T.

[Vettester]

Clomid and tamox up my free T , lh fsh and total T to 900+. Once I go off. It drops.

Sounds secondary to me if your HPTA won't sustain gonadotropin production. When serum levels drop, that should be the trigger to increase LH. If it won't work then you need to work through it with a physician; probably resulting in TRT. Sounds appealing, but 10 - 15 years down the road it will be routinely old. The old saying, it is what it is.

Also, it's always good to rule out tumors or other issues with an MRI.

[NWIron]

Interesting. That is such a bummer. I am trying to come off TRT from 3yrs. Using HCG and clomid now. Will be interesting to see if my body can sustain natty production or not.

NW

[NWIron]

OP, what was your clomid/nolva protocol and what were your bloods? Did they drop all the way to 200s without any steroid use AFTER the clomid nolva?

[ItalianPride]

Guys, I've only touched AAS once! For six weeks. Test prop and var. ever since then. Shit shit shit. I won't go on TRT. Someone can help me out or direct me to a good physian. When I take HCG get beloated and my test drops. When i take sarms like Nolva and Clomid it goes up within days. I do not feel a difference in my energy levels prolly bc I have adrenal fatigue but ya it drops. Never gauged how long till it drops but ya idk man I'm sick of paying for all these consults and bloodworks

[Vettester]

Guys, I've only touched AAS once! For six weeks. Test prop and var. ever since then. Shit shit shit. I won't go on TRT. Someone can help me out or direct me to a good physian. When I take HCG get beloated and my test drops. When i take sarms like Nolva and Clomid it goes up within days. I do not feel a difference in my energy levels prolly bc I have adrenal fatigue but ya it drops. Never gauged how long till it drops but ya idk man I'm sick of paying for all these consults and bloodworks

I'll say it again, go have an MRI to make sure there's no internal complications preventing adequate gonadotropin production. If all checks out, and a PCT type treatment isn't effective, then you have basically 2 choices ... You can seek exogenous treatment, which might even just involve some sort of HCG mono therapy, or you can just live life with your hormones out of balance. Millions of people already do, so it's not that it can't be done. First thing first, align yourself with a GREAT physician, preferably a A4M or like minded.

[Charlie6]

I'll say it again, go have an MRI to make sure there's no internal complications preventing adequate gonadotropin production. If all checks out, and a PCT type treatment isn't effective, then you have basically 2 choices ... You can seek exogenous treatment, which might even just involve some sort of HCG mono therapy, or you can just live life with your hormones out of balance. Millions of people already do, so it's not that it can't be done. First thing first, align yourself with a GREAT physician, preferably a A4M or like minded.

What an A4M doctor?
Thanks

[ItalianPride]

I'll say it again, go have an MRI to make sure there's no internal complications preventing adequate gonadotropin production. If all checks out, and a PCT type treatment isn't effective, then you have basically 2 choices ... You can seek exogenous treatment, which might even just involve some sort of HCG mono therapy, or you can just live life with your hormones out of balance. Millions of people already do, so it's not that it can't be done. First thing first, align yourself with a GREAT physician, preferably a A4M or like minded.

Thanks man. I actually talked to a few doctors and they didn't use Hcg to turn back on natural test. They said when I use medicine on my patients in my practice for a long time I learned and noticed that the bodies would return back to broke after coming off the medicine.

So im going to get a MRI on my pituitary. How and where can I do this for cheap and no insurance? Also, should get an EkG done since I have taken so much Clen?

[Vettester]

What an A4M doctor?
Thanks

A4M is a certification process for physicians, which is dedicated to the field of anti-aging, wellness, and extensive training with hormones and the endocrine system. Here is the A4M link (doctor search engine available on it as well) American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine - The World Leader in Anti-Aging, Regenerative, Metabolic and Functional Medicine Education, Conferences and Exhibitions.

[Vettester]

Thanks man. I actually talked to a few doctors and they didn't use Hcg to turn back on natural test. They said when I use medicine on my patients in my practice for a long time I learned and noticed that the bodies would return back to broke after coming off the medicine.

So im going to get a MRI on my pituitary. How and where can I do this for cheap and no insurance? Also, should get an EkG done since I have taken so much Clen?

I'm not talking about HCG to used as a temporary treatment to restart the HPTA. I'm talking about HCG Mono Therapy, where you continuously use HCG as your means for TRT. I know a leading doctor in the West LA area that has patients that he's effectively treated since the 90's with HCG mono. If your leydig cells are in great shape (as yours sound to be), then that might be one "option". And again, this former physician of mine was doing this for a multitude of patients, so don't get wrapped up with these naysayers who talk about how HCG will lead to desensitization. Hell, it's been at least 4 years now for me with HCG, which is included in my cypionate treatment, and it still works just as good as day one.

I don't know of a "cheap" route for the MRI's and pituitary exam. It's just something you will need to prioritize and make it work. The president said he would make insurance affordable and obtainable for everyone. Follow his lead and sign up on the exchanges.