long term hcg mono

[powerlifterty16]

I know a lot of people on trt are also on hcg, and since trt is for life, that means hcg is for life..but my question is, would hcg mono at 400iu 3x per week(1200 per wk) for life be safe? From my understanding there are no long term studies on long term hcg...and since 1200 per wk is over the trt dose, do you guys think this is safe for me?

[PJS19]

I dont have an answer but I have a question for you. What were your symptoms pre hcg and did hcg fix them? Do you think hcg has any place in a restart? Most say No, but Ive seen some say yes.

[powerlifterty16]

I dont have an answer but I have a question for you. What were your symptoms pre hcg and did hcg fix them? Do you think hcg has any place in a restart? Most say No, but Ive seen some say yes.

im tired, no energy, anxiety, mental fog, hard time increasing strength/building muscle, not good with women(but maybe this is just me specific haha), have migraines..although this comes and goes.

hcg honestly hasnt really fixed much of anything except i feel like i have slightly better workouts but idk.....it has me worried that my issues arent due to low t..but on the other side i hear of guys who have issues that are due to low t who only get relief from real trt.

yes 6 weeks of hcg can help to restart your body....i did 6 weeks of hcg and lh went up, but my lh wasnt bad to begin with.
ideally 6 weeks of hcg, and 3 weeks of clomid would prob be best.
i have some clomid on hand in case my doc ever stops prescribing hcg...ill just take some of that to make sure my hpta is alright.

[PJS19]

Interesting. Ive heard the same thing about HRT. I ask because hcg mono might be something in my future. What are your T levels? Mine arent horrible. 500, but low free T. Main issue for me is low pituitary signaling. LH 1.7 FSH 1.1. My symptoms started when my T was 300 and havent gone away despite T rising and using clomid for a month. Part of me wants to try a shot of T just to see if it helps. Main issue is depresssion but all other low T symtoms too

[powerlifterty16]

500 isnt that bad....it's not the best t level, but idk how likely it is your symptoms re from low t...still possible, as anything less than 600 isnt great. depends on free t too.
your balls must b healthy to have 500 t with such low lh and fsh. yeah clomid did nothing for me symptom wise too. it raised my t to 631 though. not sure my t right now, going to get bloods in a month or two.

[PJS19]

Yeah looking back im actually pissed I used clomid. When I did, my T levels naturally went up to 600. Though LH was only 2. Clomid shot me up over 1500, which probably put alot of strain on my endo system and now post clomid everything is a bit lower. My main concern is my free T is only 59 (scale 46-225). And e2 is only 7. Sucks my symptoms started when I was 300 but havent budged despite better levels.

Im sure you have, but have you looked at your adrenal and thyroid health?

[powerlifterty16]

yeah my health as a whole seems to be ****ed. high cortisol, and my tsh jumps around....but what am i supposed to do? There are barely any competent drs in any of these areas, let alone a dr who is competent to address them all. My last tsh was well over 5, but i think the clomid raised it because it is usually around 2.8-3.7

if your t is at 500 now, i doubt clomid ****ed you up, if it was 600 before. t can vary form test to test....

[powerlifterty16]

Yeah looking back im actually pissed I used clomid. When I did, my T levels naturally went up to 600. Though LH was only 2. Clomid shot me up over 1500, which probably put alot of strain on my endo system and now post clomid everything is a bit lower. My main concern is my free T is only 59 (scale 46-225). And e2 is only 7. Sucks my symptoms started when I was 300 but havent budged despite better levels.

Im sure you have, but have you looked at your adrenal and thyroid health?

so im confused. your t was at 300, then you started clomid, and it got you to 600, then how did you go to 1500?
yeah your free t is low, so you could still have low t symptoms, and your e2 is too low also...go buy some soy milk jk

[powerlifterty16]

come on there are a lot of smart people here, can't anyone give some insight?

[rotty2]

honestly you be better off using low dose test cyp injected sub-q, try 60 mgs twice a week with a lower dose of hcg, 250 i.u. mwf works well for me. I have been tinkering and this is where I feel best. hcg by itself was not so good and test cyp by itself was not either, you need both.

[Megalodon6]

honestly you be better off using low dose test cyp injected sub-q, try 60 mgs twice a week with a lower dose of hcg, 250 i.u. mwf works well for me. I have been tinkering and this is where I feel best. hcg by itself was not so good and test cyp by itself was not either, you need both.

I don't think he wants to get on test because of age but I can't speak for him lolz. I'm also starting hcg at 500iu Monday Wednesday and Friday

[rotty2]

your being shutdown regardless with the hcg, such a low dose of test is not going to change anything

[powerlifterty16]

guys, it's not only my decision regarding the test. I've been hard pressed to find a dr who will prescribe test, and I also dont want to start trt only to be dependent on it, and have drs who have no idea what they are doing lol.
Hcg is just one med, so it's cheaper, and also the less drugs the better.
I actually ran hcg for 6 weeks back in june, and after coming off i wasnt shut down. I am getting bloodwork in one month though and checking lh, so i will see if hcg shut me down. In the event i ever come off of hcg, i have some clomid here, and will run it for a little.

I would like to try test, but for now if hcg keeps my levels up, i think i could hold out until im 30..im in no rush....although tbh i still feel very sleepy all day =(.

megaladon 500 iu is quite a dose. it's not unheard of, but the dose i was prescribed was 300 iu 3x per wk...but im taking 400 bc hcg loses potency after a while.
curious how you do on 500! I think 350-400 is the sweet spot. if bw is good on 400 i might taper down to 350.

[Low Testosterone]

I wouldn't say HCG is for life if you need TRT. Keep in mind, a man who has full blown primary hypogonadism, HCG isn't going to do much for him. Will it hurt? No, but it's not going to really help. Think about it, what does HCG basically do? In very simplistic terms it's synthetic LH. What if you already produce plenty of LH? How is more LH going to help you?

Will an HCG restart work? It is by no means guaranteed. I'd say for a guy in his low to mid-20's it's a 50/50 shot. As a guy approaches 30 and over, the odds of it working decrease more and more. Now, if you attempt an HCG restart and your levels go up, that doesn't mean very much. All that matters is if they stay elevated far past the point of discontinuing.

If you truly have low testosterone and are going to need therapy for the rest of your life, testosterone is and should always be your main choice, not HCG. HCG is more or less an addition to TRT, not the foundation it's built on. Secondly, if you need TRT, why would you forgo actual testosterone? It's not a foreign substance, it's not something you're body is unfamiliar with and it's not poison. It's a hormone your body is well accustomed to but now doesn't have enough. Is synthetic testosterone less or more dangerous than naturally produced testosterone? No, it's the same thing. Where risk is involved is when you're putting excess amounts of testosterone in your body far beyond what the body could ever naturally produce. However, even this is less dangerous than it's often been inaccurately reported to be.

[powerlifterty16]

@low test thanks for the response. I wanted to stay on hcg mono from now until I turned 30, and then look into trt then. I just don't want to dealwith trt now, plus it's much easier to dealvwith one drug financially and convenience wise. I just wasnt sure if 400 iu 3x per week of hcg over many years was something that might cause me health problems. I dont think im full on primary because the clomid test brought me to 631. I think something is up with my balls though, because 631 is kind of low considering my lh was over 11....

[Megalodon6]

megaladon 500 iu is quite a dose. it's not unheard of, but the dose i was prescribed was 300 iu 3x per wk...but im taking 400 bc hcg loses potency after a while.
curious how you do on 500! I think 350-400 is the sweet spot. if bw is good on 400 i might taper down to 350.[/QUOTE]

I'm going to do 500 for 6 weeks then I go for more bw and we go from there

[powerlifterty16]

megaladon 500 iu is quite a dose. it's not unheard of, but the dose i was prescribed was 300 iu 3x per wk...but im taking 400 bc hcg loses potency after a while.
curious how you do on 500! I think 350-400 is the sweet spot. if bw is good on 400 i might taper down to 350.

I'm going to do 500 for 6 weeks then I go for more bw and we go from there[/QUOTE]

smart thinking. make sure you get e2 checked with that dose. Im getting my bloods drawn november 18th two days after my last shot so i can have my lowest level lol.